Perry's resume
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CanadaIsIrrelevant
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Winning WCH is just a champion of WCH trophy.
Not gold.
Stanley Cup is not gold either.
He has done pretty well for a guy that most on here said in 2005 was too slow and weak for the NHL.
JackSlater
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Good for Perry. It's more of a trivia answer than anything else, but at least he makes the most of his opportunities. At the very least he is one of the top players of his generation (along with Nash, Heatley etc.) in terms of willingness to play for Canada when asked.
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For sure. Between this trivia answer (which people love - and for good reason) and his Hart Trophy, he's getting the call.
gwh
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And this is good?
We can restart the thread when he joins someone important. Like this guy for starters:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Tretiak
JackSlater
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gwh
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Cry me river. We are talking about winning here. Aren't we?
Perry has zero USSR player of the year awards, so he can't even be in this contest anyway.
(Making a point here that Niederrmeyer as reference group means absolutely nothing. Nothing. He is not even a top20 all time player in skill OR winning)
Paxton Fettel
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Can we please agree that it means nothing when you win while playing for Canada? You can insert any other player on that team instead of Perry and they still win.
JackSlater
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Cry me river. We are talking about winning here. Aren't we?
Perry has zero USSR player of the year awards, so he can't even be in this contest anyway.
(Making a point here that Niederrmeyer as reference group means absolutely nothing. Nothing. He is not even a top20 all time player in skill OR winning)
I don't grasp what point you are trying to make. It's a random piece of trivia. It shows that Perry is an elite Canadian player who was fortunate to land at a strong junior team.
It's a plus for Perry. He was essential to his team's Memorial Cup win, and probably essential to Anaheim's Stanley Cup. Arguably essential to Canada's 2010 Olympic win. Of course he wasn't a critical piece in some tournaments. A hobo off the street could have replaced Perry at the 2005 WJC and the 2014 Olympics and won, but that's not Perry's fault.
This year and in Sochi.. sure.. Canada was winning regardless.. but in 2010 when it was closer he scored a few clutch goals and you could argue that him and his Getzlaf chemistry were extremely important to that team.
86Habs
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Didn't Perry begin that tournament as Canada's 13th forward, and only move up to Bergeron's wing once Jeremy Colliton was injured? At least, that's how I remember it going down.
Yeah.. they weren't even going to play him.. and then he got on that line and gelled immediately.
JackSlater
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Yes, people were generally very down on Perry with the exception of Don Cherry. He only made the team after a ridiculously good performance in the final training camp game. Canada's big lines in that tournament are kind of funny. Perry as the grinder on the line with Crosby and Bergeron, who was actually the offensive (and defensive) star of the line. The second line had Carter centering Getzlaf.
86Habs
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Was Bergeron considered for release to Team Canada for the 2004 tournament?
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JackSlater
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I don't remember. I'm guessing not, as Boston was a very good team and Bergeron was a solid contributor. The main release information I remember from that time was Bouchard not being released that year (I had hoped that he would be, since it was a similar situation to the year before when he was released) and the next year when Burns and Horton were not released to the super team even though there was a lockout.
gwh
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The start makes it sounds like it should be impressive.
More specifically this bit:
"he's won every meaningful tournament there is and joins niedermayer"
On international scale Perry (or niedermeyer) has not even started winning. There are at least 20 USSR russians alone that have more interesting "resume".
And then there are the NHL players, probably close to 50 better all time?
Save the moisturized hero worship to people who have actually earned it.
gwh
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I kind of disagree (as non canadian).
What we are seeing here is a dominant era in Canadian hockey. Perry is in the team because he is one of the better players in the era.
He wouldn't be in the team if he wouldn't be good.
(Also this has lasted since 2010 or so and it won't last for ever. 2006 Olympics Canada was 7th
)He's not top 20 all time and I'm sure there are several Russians from back in the day who were better.. but this isn't the 1970s.. and we aren't talking about all time greats.
Notice how nobody from Canada came in here and started saying Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr were better? That's because they understand saying that wouldn't be relevant at all to this thread.
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Once again, the comparison of Perry or Niedermayer with Tretiak on international accolades doesn't make sense. It's like comparing Fetisov with Niedermayer and concluding that Niedermayer was better since he was much better in the NHL, where they both played. Perry doesn't get the chance to play in the World Championship every year, especially with his country's best while other countries aren't developed or can't bring their best. It's a needless comparison because the context is so different.
When Niedermayer is referenced, people mean that Niedermayer and Perry are the only two players who have won the Memorial Cup, Stanley Cup, World Juniors, World Championship, Olympics, Canada/World Cup.
gwh
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More specifically this bit:
"he's won every meaningful tournament there is and joins niedermayer"
Save the moisturized hero worship to people who have actually earned it.
(Notice the bolded bits? Yes/no? Thread ready to close?)
granted there have been better d-men than niedermayer or forwards than perry, but one can still recognize their accomplishments. if they weren't good players, they wouldn't have made the teams in the first place. they had their roles on these teams and did well.
JackSlater
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Your post is still irrelevant. This has nothing to do with Tretiak or Soviets, who obviously never won the Memorial Cup for instance. Winning those six championships (Olympics, World Championships, WJC, Canada/World Cup, Memorial Cup, Stanley Cup) is what the thread is based on. If you are just trying to say that Perry and Niedermayer didn't win as much as Tretiak or the Soviets did that is true, but it's also a needless comparison given how drastically different the situations are.
