Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

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HandshakeLine

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Rust's production is typically fine (minus his shit 25 game start). The issue with Rust is he too often plays like he's a 40 goal floating sniper when his real value used to be his two-way ability and endless motor.

Honestly, I'd rather have a 15-20 goal Rust who did all the things he did prior to 2019 rather than a 25-30 goal Rust who floats around the perimeter thinking he's Alex Ovechkin.
Yeah, which is the real problem with people crowing about how it's not the system's fault. We could run that kind of game right now. But it's clear that players like Rust cannot or do not want to, and haven't for years.

Rust is becoming Neal but with less shooting ability.
 
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Yeah, which is the real problem with people crowing about how it's not the system's fault. We could run that kind of game right now. But it's clear that players like Rust cannot or do not want to, and haven't for years.

Rust is becoming Neal but with less shooting ability.

Every winger is Neal according to you. lol.

Rust has been fine the last few weeks, honestly.

Dude's got 13 points in 10 games playing most of his time on 2nd PP and 5v5 and PKing.
 
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The real-estate thing though. I'm assuming this will help team revenue going forward? Maybe depending what's built there maybe it might attract future Free Agents?
 

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The real-estate thing though. I'm assuming this will help team revenue going forward? Maybe depending what's built there maybe it might attract future Free Agents?

The real estate thing is a silly sub plot people want to make about the purchase. The Penguins are one of the most valuable brands in the NHL that would actually be for sale. That's why they bought them.
 
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Except for Neal. He's more like a bigger version of Petr Sykora.
Faster version of Milan Kraft, actually.

Every winger is Neal according to you. lol.

Rust has been fine the last few weeks, honestly.

Dude's got 13 points in 10 games playing most of his time on 2nd PP and 5v5 and PKing.
Yeah, my problem isn’t with Rust, it’s Sullivan’s usage of Rust if left to his own devices. I’m going to be pleasantly surprised if we don’t see GCRust come playoff time.
 
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Also, I cannot stress how bad most of the non-core contracts are at the moment. Ricky Racks is probably the only real deal we actually got.
Ironically his was the deal most people disliked the most. Ive really soured on the Rust contract and Carters has aged like fine milk. I think the Carter deal might be the worst contract on the team, an over 35 deal and hes been baaaaad, Letang you could at least move on name. I dont think GMs around the league have realized how brain dead he is.
 

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Faster version of Milan Kraft, actually.


Yeah, my problem isn’t with Rust, it’s Sullivan’s usage of Rust if left to his own devices. I’m going to be pleasantly surprised if we don’t see GCRust come playoff time.
Come playoff time? If this team slide lasts much longer, I'd be surprised if we don't see Rust with those two this time next week.
 

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Ironically his was the deal most people disliked the most. Ive really soured on the Rust contract and Carters has aged like fine milk. I think the Carter deal might be the worst contract on the team, an over 35 deal and hes been baaaaad, Letang you could at least move on name. I dont think GMs around the league have realized how brain dead he is.

Rust contract is perfectly fine compared to the comparable signed the last two years in Schwartz, Burakovsky, Coleman, etc.

Carter contract was always a shitty one, but he’s producing at the level expected. He probably looks fine if the coach doesn’t view him as some type of rock in the bottom six.

Letang contract was always awful. I’m a huge Letang homer, but that contract made little sense when it came to a “win now” team.
 
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MMMMM, Who to healthy scratch?

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Well Kap maybe can rebound. But Carter is just sliding and his usage is above his play. sullivan using him last night in critical situation and his OT play was a joke. Hextall stuck the Pens with the over 35 deal for Carter for another 2 years. Does he know over 35 contracts are fully guaranteed and you are stuck with that contract period. Rust is OK at 5 AAV and correct Rakell was a player I really wanted Hextall to resign. Pens have cap room next year and I do think Hextall has to make changes meaning Kap has to go if he just isn't good from here. For now a couple more losses may force some changes, or at least it should.
 

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Looking at the roster, here's who's actually movable going into Tradesmas (or whatever the f*** TSN is calling it these days):

Jake - 12 team NTC
Zucker - 10 team NTC
Dumoulin - 10 team NTC
Rackell - 8 team NTC
Pettersson - freely available
POJ - freely available
Rutta - freely available
Ruhwehdel - freely available
Freidman - freely availabe
Kapanen - freely available
McGinn - freely available
Blueger - freely available
Heinen - freely available

DOC, Caigula, etc. - Whatever, who cares

UNMOVABLE:
Sid - NMC
Rust - NMC
Geno - NMC, 35+
Letang - NMC, 35+
Carter - NMC, 35+
Petry - NMC, NTC

So, that's what we're working with essentially. Prospects are the worst in the league, our 2023 picks aren't going to be super high either.

Again, not a lot of options for changing up the roster. The players without NMCs/NTCs (god that Carter NMC plus the poison pill loading of the contract plus Dumo's NTC are brutal) are by and large worthless/valueless except for maybe as a sweetener or a like-for-like swap. The only real player(s) who might have some value on the trade market might be Jake, or Zucker for the forwards and Pettersson or POJ on the defense. OR we might convince someone like Rust or Carter to waive the NMC, but I doubt that's going to happen.
I wonder how Dumoulin feels about his list now, since he wrote it 6 years ago.
 
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I'm still waiting to see evidence of FSG ruling with an iron fist and firing people into the sun for poor results regardless of loyalty or tenure like we were told to expect of them.
They are willing to move on from people if need be, but that narrative was overblown.

They gave traditional managers Kenny Dalglish and Brendan Rodgers opportunities at Liverpool, but when the results didn't come, they turned to analytics and hired Jurgen Klopp.


Klopp has had remarkable stability since being hired, rare for soccer coaches who are fired faster than hockey coaches. He guided Liverpool to its first Premier League title in 20 years, first FA Cup title in 16 years, first League Cup in 10 years, and first Champions League title in 14 years.

FSG has also fired managers and general managers in Boston, too. But if you win and fit what they want to do, you'll stick around. It's calculated, not an iron fist.

It should be noted Boston and Liverpool operate in leagues without a salary cap, and that both are among the highest payrolls in their leagues. Lot easier to change course rapidly than in the NHL.
 

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I think they re-submit it every season? But it would be pretty hilarious if we end up just trading him to Seattle because they didn't exist 6 years ago.
Never heard of that but that would make a ton of sense. 10-team list wouldn't be very helpful after 6 years with how the script flips in this league.

If that's not the case though, here are the 10 worst teams in P% when it was signed:
Islanders, Oilers, Rangers, Blackhawks, Canucks, Red Wings, Canadiens, Coyotes, Senators, Sabres

Just giving some ideas who might be on it. Maybe sub out a few for hated divisional foes or terrible places to live.
 

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Never heard of that but that would make a ton of sense. 10-team list wouldn't be very helpful after 6 years with how the script flips in this league.

If that's not the case though, here are the 10 worst teams in P% when it was signed:
Islanders, Oilers, Rangers, Blackhawks, Canucks, Red Wings, Canadiens, Coyotes, Senators, Sabres

Just giving some ideas who might be on it. Maybe sub out a few for hated divisional foes or terrible places to live.
Yeah, from what I remember (and I'm not a lawyer), the player basically sends the team a list of teams at the beginning of UFA period every year (amounts vary as per contract) where they will not go unless they waive their NTC. Mostly it seems to be a way for players to minimize the disruption to their families (i.e. You have family on the east coast, you don't want to get traded to Winnepeg. Family in Vancouver? Well, you don't want to go to Carolina.).

But a lot of players end up waiving them, so it's not impossible or anything. I think if it's a situation where the coaching staff is not going to put a player in and they want to play, players will waive. Whether or not we'll do that to Dumo is up for debate.
 
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All in all after last night, the penguins still have a game or two in hand and 0-4 pts on the current standings....
Going to be a tough route to the post season.
---add -- wrote that half asleep.. Could have a few points on the caps and rag rangers -- if they don't mail in those games in hand.
 
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