Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Gurglesons]

The fact people have fooled themselves into think Archibald is impactful is part of the issue with this line up.

I guess he is somewhat of a parallel to LOC on Colorado. Just a total whatever influence that I feel like people have latched onto because Errey talks about him so much. Same thing with our 4th line. Just a total nonfactor.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The fact people have fooled themselves into think Archibald is impactful is part of the issue with this line up.

I guess he is somewhat of a parallel to LOC on Colorado. Just a total whatever influence that I feel like people have latched onto because Errey talks about him so much. Same thing with our 4th line. Just a total nonfactor.

This is why I don't watch games with sound typically

For what he's being paid and asked to do, Archi fits the bill perfectly.

Two questions for you:
1) What else do you want to see from him?
2) What's your alternative plan if Archibald isn't on the roster?

 

[Gurglesons]

This is why I don't watch games with sound typically

For what he's being paid and asked to do, Archi fits the bill perfectly.

Two questions for you:
1) What else do you want to see from him?
2) What's your alternative plan if Archibald isn't on the roster?

I just don’t see the idea of playing a 30+ year old 20 pt guy over a player like Hallander or trying to bring in a player that produces more or has size.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I just don’t see the idea of playing a 30+ year old 20 pt guy over a player like Hallander or trying to bring in a player that produces more or has size.

What players are going to produce appreciably more, given the same zone starts/opportunity?
I admit I was not a fan of the signing from the start. I thought Big Z should not have been waived. But ARchibald has been asked to fill a role and he's done it to a T. He's also pretty much the only guy to lay the body on the roster, so he's not necessarily redundant either.

If you want to angle your argument of "youth", I can get down with that. But you're gonna have to ride with the mistakes those guys make.

 

[Power Surge]

I just don’t see the idea of playing a 30+ year old 20 pt guy over a player like Hallander or trying to bring in a player that produces more or has size.

That's a good point, Hallender is at an age where he should be up. But I don't pretend to know where he is at other than I read his shot and skating got really good in the span of a year.

 

[Gurglesons]

What players are going to produce appreciably more, given the same zone starts/opportunity?
I admit I was not a fan of the signing from the start. I thought Big Z should not have been waived. But ARchibald has been asked to fill a role and he's done it to a T. He's also pretty much the only guy to lay the body on the roster, so he's not necessarily redundant either.

If you want to angle your argument of "youth", I can get down with that. But you're gonna have to ride with the mistakes those guys make.

Tanev, Blueger and McGinn all produced significantly more given the same usage.

Do I think we could get a player on the cheap that would do that? No. But I think trying out young talent might have resulted in it.

I also vastly disagree with how our 4th line is used and would probably have it be something like..

Heinen - Blueger - Kapanen
McGinn - Poehling - Carter

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tanev, Blueger and McGinn all produced significantly more given the same usage.

Do I think we could get a player on the cheap that would do that? No. But I think trying out young talent might have resulted in it.

I also vastly disagree with how our 4th line is used and would probably have it be something like..

Heinen - Blueger - Kapanen
McGinn - Poehling - Carter

Aren't those players PAID significantly more than Archibald? We've got like 5 dollars in cap room so this is the approach they chose. Pros and cons to such a route, but as we sit now they are getting good value out of Archi.

The 3/4 Line deployments are another topic altogether (even though I agree with where you're going)

 

[Pancakes]

I just don’t see the idea of playing a 30+ year old 20 pt guy over a player like Hallander or trying to bring in a player that produces more or has size.

I do like Archibald's ability to draw penalties. That has actually started to matter now that our PP is good again.

Would love to see Hallander get an extended look though

 

[chethejet]

I'd rather see DOC first in the 4th line role and go from there. I now Lafferty has no shot here but my point is Archibald is just not physically big enough to play that aggressive for 82 games here. Thus I prefer a bigger stronger option for a RH RW on the 4th line.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tanev, Blueger and McGinn all produced significantly more given the same usage.

Do I think we could get a player on the cheap that would do that? No. But I think trying out young talent might have resulted in it.

I also vastly disagree with how our 4th line is used and would probably have it be something like..

Heinen - Blueger - Kapanen
McGinn - Poehling - Carter

Have we won a game without Archibald??
/s

 

[BillyOcean]

Pining for Sam Lafferty is odd and I just want to fast-forward a few weeks past whatever nonsense this is.

 

[K Fleur]

I remember thinking Archibald was an interesting player like 6 years ago.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I remember thinking Archibald was an interesting player like 6 years ago.

There was a Penguins reddit thread asking what young players the redditors are excited for. Someone had the ignorance to suggest Archibald.

 

[Andy99]

Pining for Sam Lafferty is odd and I just want to fast-forward a few weeks past whatever nonsense this is.

We may actually be pining harder for him in a few weeks when we have another losing streak and Jarry turns back into a pumpkin after being Mr December lol

 

[SomeDude]

We may actually be pining harder for him in a few weeks when we have another losing streak and Jarry turns back into a pumpkin after being Mr December lol

This team could go 0-82, score 0 goals, and get physically beat down every game and I would still not want Sam Lafferty back.

 

[eXile3]

Dumo and Carters defensive issues were apparent back to the Rangers series. Yet we’ve done nothing to mitigate them and instead indulged in them.

They need to recognize the problems before they even try to solve them.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Tanev, Blueger and McGinn all produced significantly more given the same usage.

Do I think we could get a player on the cheap that would do that? No. But I think trying out young talent might have resulted in it.

I also vastly disagree with how our 4th line is used and would probably have it be something like..

Heinen - Blueger - Kapanen
McGinn - Poehling - Carter

I'd actually swap McGinn and Heinen and go for the better defensive 3rd line and hope the 4th line guys can collectively be a "scoring" 4th line.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Dumo and Carters defensive issues were apparent back to the Rangers series. Yet we’ve done nothing to mitigate them and instead indulged in them.

They need to recognize the problems before they even try to solve them.

Don't worry, the same coach who iced Jack Johnson for 82 games is on the case

 

[Gurglesons]

Don't worry, the same coach who iced Jack Johnson for 82 games is on the case

The Sullivan experience:

2017-18. Half our wingers are hurt and we have a young Daniel Sprong who can do nothing but score and we proceed to play all the hurt wingers and lose a one goal game in OT.

2018-19. Teddy Blueger looks great. We proceed to play old man Cullen and Garrett Wilson over him in a series where depth scoring is lighting us up.

2019-20. GMR and Zucker - Sid - Sheary are fantastic lines heading into the bubble. We never see them again and we ice JJ-Schultz into the ground.

20-21. GCR gets absolutely dunked on by the Isles, but we never change it. Jake and Sid have one 5v5 goal combined.

21-22. Jeff Carter is used as a top six center and single handedly loses us a game.

This is the guy PIT media wants to give the Adams lol. Would’ve loved to see him get absolutely bullied in the Olympics when he benched Connor and Debrincat for Oshie and Rust.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

This is the guy PIT media wants to give the Adams lol

Well there's your issue: valuing anything the PGH media says.

 

[Power Surge]

Who in the Pit media thinks Sullivan should win the Adams, who is pining for Lafferty. I feel like I missed something.

 

[Gurglesons]

Who in the Pit media thinks Sullivan should win the Adams, who is pining for Lafferty. I feel like I missed something.

Mark Madden's Hot Take: Penguins' Mike Sullivan deserves better in Jack Adams Award voting

The Penguins’ Mike Sullivan was not a finalist for this year’s Jack Adams Award. It’s given annually to the NHL’s best coach, except quite often it isn’t. Sullivan finished eighth in the year’s voting, which is done by NHL broadcasters. He didn’t necessarily deserve to win the award, but he

triblive.com

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would easily argue that this year is Sullivan's worst case for the Jack Adams relative to previous years.

The team is as good as expected and they've been healthy. The Jack Adams award is basically the "coach of the most overachieving team" award, it doesn't make any sense. If Crosby, Malkin and Letang were out and the Penguins were in 3rd in the division, then that is actually Jack Adams worthy.

 

[Power Surge]

Mark Madden's Hot Take: Penguins' Mike Sullivan deserves better in Jack Adams Award voting

The Penguins’ Mike Sullivan was not a finalist for this year’s Jack Adams Award. It’s given annually to the NHL’s best coach, except quite often it isn’t. Sullivan finished eighth in the year’s voting, which is done by NHL broadcasters. He didn’t necessarily deserve to win the award, but he

triblive.com

The right coach won the Adams last year. Seems like MM ran out of material trying to create last years hypothetical scenarios. Let's just stick to this year, which sure after the 7 game losing streak, good job righting the ship but Sully isn't a Top 10 in Adams conversation this year.

 

[eXile3]

Sully's time for an Adams has passed. Just by his lineup decisions you can see he's afraid to change his habits.

Which is funny because if I remember right when Sullivan took over he was more open than Johnston to using young guys. Kuhn, Rust, Sheary, Wilson all got shots. Guentzel and Murray the next year.