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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Empoleon8771 said:
I have literally been saying all along that Hextall's primary focus should be building the best team he can build. Like I've been adamant about that for months when the Malkin extension talk has come up.
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As opposed to what, building the worst team?
 
HandshakeLine said:
I think more to the point, being cheap with the top 6 and top pairing while overpaying for bottom 6 and 3rd pairing defensemen is an excellent illustration of the problems this team faces.
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See, I've been thinking over this in the arguments of where we should allocate team needs, and I'm increasingly of the opinion that I think that's not far off how most successful teams do it. It's how we did it for the double. Washington paid roughly the same amount to Eller and Beagle as we're about to do with Carter and Blueger only with 6m less of cap to work with, and had 5.5m of Orpik roaming the bottom six for reasons. Tampa have tried to get their bottom six cheap, but by chucking about 5 1st rounders plus at it in 3 years, which is a different type of expensive.

Players who can take hard match-ups and keep scoring aren't that common. Players who can ride shotgun as a third wheel on a scoring line are probably no more rare. And the savings between cheap players who matter and players who are at market value is considerable, while the difference between Brock McGinn and a minimum wage player is a little under 2m.

I guess Colorado executed a great studs and duds model this year, but then Lehkonen-Kadri-Nuke was a fairly cheap 2nd line that's about to get a ton more expensive, they had 4.9m Burakovsky in the bottom six, they had 10m worth of blueline playing under 15 minutes of 5v5 a night in Erik Johnson and Manson...

So... I don't see the disposition of the money as an issue. I see the fact we've no cheap high end talent worth a damn as an issue, and I see the make-up of the roster as an issue, and I see having an core that maybe requires more help than other cores/can't be relied on to stay fit at crunch time as an issue, but the basic model of looking for bargains who fit very well to round out the top six and being willing to seriously invest in who plays the hard minutes? Doesn't look like an issue to me. The fact we've spent the money on the wrong players is an issue, but not the philosophy.
 
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JT Miller Deal Close. (E4)​

Hearing the Rangers are the closest…Kappo would be a big part of the deal…If they trade for Miller, the Rangers may lose Andrew Copp because they could no longer afford him. Copp is very high on the radar of Pittsburgh and Detroit.rn
Source: Eklund SOOOO COPP WON'T BE A PENGUIN
 
Jake Sid Rakell ($4.75 mill)
Nuke ($4 mill) Geno ($6 mill) Rust
DOC Carter Marchment ($2.75 mill)
Zohorna Blueger McGinn

Dumo Letang ($7.25 mill)
Matheson Marino
POJ ($900K) Lyubushkin ($3.5 mill)

Jarry
DeSmith
 
TimmyD said:
Jake Sid Rakell ($4.75 mill)
Nuke ($4 mill) Geno ($6 mill) Rust
DOC Carter Marchment ($2.75 mill)
Zohorna Blueger McGinn

Dumo Letang ($7.25 mill)
Matheson Marino
POJ ($900K) Lyubushkin ($3.5 mill)

Jarry
DeSmith
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Nuke is gonna get PAID...only way he takes a discount is to stay with the Avs unfortunately.
 
TheGoldenJet said:
Klingberg to hit the open market.

Still wish we were signing him rather than Letang.
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Why?

Letang is head and shoulders above Klingberg

Klingberg isn't even the Stars best Dman and will probably get just as much money as Letang

TimmyD said:
Jake Sid Rakell ($4.75 mill)
Nuke ($4 mill) Geno ($6 mill) Rust
DOC Carter Marchment ($2.75 mill)
Zohorna Blueger McGinn

Dumo Letang ($7.25 mill)
Matheson Marino
POJ ($900K) Lyubushkin ($3.5 mill)

Jarry
DeSmith
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Lol Nuke isnt going for 4 million, that shipped sailed last year and GCR is most likely staying the same.
 
Petts for Iafallo
Iafallo had a CF% 57.8 last year with 50/50 zone starts. I think Hextall needs to do this salary swap. Could be a good wheel for G and Rakell.

GCR
Iafallo-G-Rakell
 
TheGoldenJet said:
Klingberg to hit the open market.

Still wish we were signing him rather than Letang.
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Letang is miles better than Klingberg.
But if we could rewind time this would be interesting:

Don't resign Carter or Rust

Sign Letang and Klingberg

So your top 3 Dmen are Letang/Klingberg/Matheson

That'd be a fun group. I mean they'd give up a bunch of chances but I'd be entertained :)
 
Thats What She Said said:
Letang is miles better than Klingberg.
But if we could rewind time this would be interesting:

Don't resign Carter or Rust

Sign Letang and Klingberg

So your top 3 Dmen are Letang/Klingberg/Matheson

That'd be a fun group. I mean they'd give up a bunch of chances but I'd be entertained :)
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Could you point me to great teams in history where they had their D corp among the highest paid in the league?

This franchise wastes so much valuable cap on guys that are there but rarely help the team win on a nightly basis.

Sell the franchise
 
USS FJB said:
What would your starting roster look like
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Emp already posted a solid starting point for a roster that I liked with some variation of the bolded switched out. I think if we can save some money with the Geno/Letang contracts we could get another top 6 level winger

Would like to see some toughness on the backend and wouldn't mind seeing Dumo swapped out for it

Dont really want to see Heinen back and would be fine with moving on from Kap/McGinn and seeing some Miles Wood style player in the spot (think toughness with skill). Zucker is most likely staying which I dont hate if and its a big if he can stay healthy but we do need to move Petts IMO

Tough to put together a roster when you cant really see what/who is signed and what for.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-Malkin-Trocheck (or anther skilled player)
Heinen/Carter-Carter/Blueger-Kapanen
O'Connor-Blueger-McGinn

Dumoulin-Letang
Matheson-Marino
POJ-Ruhwedel

Jarry-DeSmith
 
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GCR (19.8M)
Iafallo-G-Rakell (15.5)
Heinen-Carter-Puljijarvi (8.6)
McGinn-Blue-DOC/Z (6.5)

Dumo-Letang (11.6M)
Matheson-Marino (9.3)
Fried-Ruh/POJ (2.4)

TJ/CDS (4.3M)
JMFJ (1.9)

Iafallo for Petts
Zucker (retain 1.5M) with a little sweetener
Puljijarvi for Kap
Heinen resigned or a comparable project for around 2.5M

This is me trying to do minimal roster shuffling and I still think it's more than what actually happens.
 
USS FJB said:
Could you point me to great teams in history where they had their D corp among the highest paid in the league?

This franchise wastes so much valuable cap on guys that are there but rarely help the team win on a nightly basis.

Sell the franchise
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Ducks in 2006 went with a "defense strong" approach with Pronger/Neidermeyer/Beauchim.

There's multiple ways to skin a cat/win a Cup.
 
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USS FJB said:
Could you point me to great teams in history where they had their D corp among the highest paid in the league?

This franchise wastes so much valuable cap on guys that are there but rarely help the team win on a nightly basis.

Sell the franchise
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You have to pay guys that aren't stars too you know, They don't play for shits & Giggles
 
“• For a Malkin deal to not get done, Geno’d have to price his way out of Pittsburgh. And as anyone who knows the man can attest, there’s nothing about his personality that fits such a scenario. He’s always prioritized his comfort level, throughout his career, and that includes his uncommon dynamic alongside Sidney Crosby, his genuine love of how much he’s loved in Pittsburgh and more.

• Similarly, the Penguins are neither underselling nor undercutting him. Trust me on that.

• Filip Forsberg isn’t coming through that door, my friends. And Vince Trocheck isn’t coming home. And neither is J.T. Miller, who’s now being dangled by old friend Patrik Allvin in Vancouver. These players aren’t affordable in the Penguins’ cap scenario and, believe it or not, that wouldn’t change even if Malkin were out. Check my roster/cap counts up there again.”

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Flying Dego said:
GCR (19.8M)
Iafallo-G-Rakell (15.5)
Heinen-Carter-Puljijarvi (8.6)
McGinn-Blue-DOC/Z (6.5)

Dumo-Letang (11.6M)
Matheson-Marino (9.3)
Fried-Ruh/POJ (2.4)

TJ/CDS (4.3M)
JMFJ (1.9)

Iafallo for Petts
Zucker (retain 1.5M) with a little sweetener
Puljijarvi for Kap
Heinen resigned or a comparable project for around 2.5M

This is me trying to do minimal roster shuffling and I still think it's more than what actually happens.
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Minimal - Hextall’s middle name.
 
Andy99 said:
“• For a Malkin deal to not get done, Geno’d have to price his way out of Pittsburgh. And as anyone who knows the man can attest, there’s nothing about his personality that fits such a scenario. He’s always prioritized his comfort level, throughout his career, and that includes his uncommon dynamic alongside Sidney Crosby, his genuine love of how much he’s loved in Pittsburgh and more.

• Similarly, the Penguins are neither underselling nor undercutting him. Trust me on that.

• Filip Forsberg isn’t coming through that door, my friends. And Vince Trocheck isn’t coming home. And neither is J.T. Miller, who’s now being dangled by old friend Patrik Allvin in Vancouver. These players aren’t affordable in the Penguins’ cap scenario and, believe it or not, that wouldn’t change even if Malkin were out. Check my roster/cap counts up there again.”

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Actual rational thought
 
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Sign hometown boy to play with Malkin. He plays a tough game and Malkin needs that in a line mate. Also gives a right shot faceoff guy on that line. Same with the 3rd line. Blueger needs to step up in a contract year and having carter on the right side would help with faceoffs. This is a mix of offense/defense/checking on every line. The 4th line is your energy line... CHEAP PLAYERS!!!. Find a heavy hitter to take fear off of Crosby. Hextall can easily trade Petterson. I dislike the DeSmith signing but it is what it is.

Guentzel - Crosby - Rust
Zucker - Malkin - Trocheck
McGinn - Blueger - Carter
Zohorna - O'Connor - FA signing

Dumoulin - Letang
Matheson - Marino
POJ - Ruhwedel

Jarry - DeSmith
 
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