Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[ronduguayshair]

If he can get Geno on the cheap I would believe that is his plan. In order to do that he needs to save whatever salary he can

I am not a fan of CDS 1 bit and I agree with you that goaltending has been our biggest issues in the playoffs the last 2 years but ive also seen the market for goaltending and people are paying ridiculous amounts for goalies these days. I'm definitely sour on CDS, I hope its something we can address even if its at the TDL


I would think that mentioning a mail order bride is something more along a joke but sorry, didn't realize you were so soft. I will no longer discuss the matter with you

(We only moderate those we don’t like I guess.)

Trash

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The more I read this thread, the further I stray from the warm embrace of the hockey gods' light.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Sign Geno to 6.5-7m/yr for 3yrs.
Tell Letang his hair sucks and to f*** off.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

So I guess Rakell was just a deadline rental? Not a whole lot of discussion about the club and him negotiating.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I imagine it's pretty tough to negotiate a concrete number/term with a guy like Rakell when Geno and Letang's deals are still up in the air--more so the first, apparently, but still.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I imagine it's pretty tough to negotiate a concrete number/term with a guy like Rakell when Geno and Letang's deals are still up in the air--more so the first, apparently, but still.

That's why I'm kind of annoyed that they got the Rust deal done first. Honestly would have preferred Rakell to get the Rust deal and then they figure out what to do with Rust after they sign Geno and/or Letang.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

That's why I'm kind of annoyed that they got the Rust deal done first. Honestly would have preferred Rakell to get the Rust deal and then they figure out what to do with Rust after they sign Geno and/or Letang.

It'd be cool if the team didn't have like half a dozen guys making too much AAV or signed for way too long, and they actually had the flexibility to make a splash. Dumo's cooked, Zucker's a horrible waste of cap, Kap's dookie, Petts and Marino are on bloated contracts, there's no real reason to spend $2+ million on a guy like Blueger who has never done a thing in the playoffs and is an unexceptional player all around ("but his d-zone staaaaarts " ), McGinn's even worse.

Fully expecting the most boring summer.

-edit- It sure is great that the prospect pool isn't the absolute worst in the lea--oh.

 

[Zbynek]

Not that I trust anything that comes out of that weasel Rob Rossi's mouth, but if a 4x6mil deal for Malkin is on the table from Malkin/Barry's side, and we haven't signed that yet, that is f***ed up.

 

[Pens x]

It'd be cool if the team didn't have like half a dozen guys making too much AAV or signed for way too long, and they actually had the flexibility to make a splash. Dumo's cooked, Zucker's a horrible waste of cap, Kap's dookie, Petts and Marino are on bloated contracts, there's no real reason to spend $2+ million on a guy like Blueger who has never done a thing in the playoffs and is an unexceptional player all around ("but his d-zone staaaaarts " ), McGinn's even worse.

Fully expecting the most boring summer.

-edit- It sure is great that the prospect pool isn't the absolute worst in the lea--oh.

Hextall could ship out Dumo and possibly at a sweetener to Zucker. He is going to have to proactive to have some cap space, something he isn’t capable of doing.

 

[Peat]

That's why I'm kind of annoyed that they got the Rust deal done first. Honestly would have preferred Rakell to get the Rust deal and then they figure out what to do with Rust after they sign Geno and/or Letang.

Iirc, the talk is Rakell wants 5.5m. If that's true and he's sticking to it, he wouldn't have signed Rust's deal.

Not to mention that given the money the team has, and the needs it has, giving Rust that deal once Geno/Tanger are signed is a non-brainer anyway.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

So I guess Rakell was just a deadline rental? Not a whole lot of discussion about the club and him negotiating.

Because we need more shit stains like Rodrigues and Heinen in this line up.

 

[HandshakeLine]

If Rakell wants 5.5m I'd still sign him and then shop Pettersson or Zucker or Dumo.

There is just so much needless stupidity with this team and the UFAs.

 

[Peat]

If Rakell wants 5.5m I'd still sign him and then shop Pettersson or Zucker or Dumo.

There is just so much needless stupidity with this team and the UFAs.

Or maybe you get an equal player at around 4.5m. Or negotiate him down to 5 as well.

This place bellyached endlessly about Rutherford just going out there and paying to get what he wanted, surely a GM that negotiates and seeks value and doesn't just give players their first ask should be a good thing?

 

[KareemTrustfund]

Hextall's job is to build the best team he has. If that involves playing hardball with two of his UFAs that are franchise players with the team, he should do that. This isn't any sort of malice, it's just how a negotiation goes. Malkin wants the most money for himself, while Hextall wants the least money to Malkin so he can build the best team around Malkin that he can.

People shouldn't take these kind of contract negotiations as personal. Everyone here is on good terms with each other as far as we can tell.

I think that’s a good way of looking at it. The only real problem with waiting until the 11th hour with these guys is we might wait Rakell right out the door. IF it’s true that 6 or 6.5 for four years Is all Malkin wants (which we don’t know is true) you have to pounce on it now and figure out how to get Rakell signed before July 13th.

 

[Zbynek]

I think that’s a good way of looking at it. The only real problem with waiting until the 11th hour with these guys is we might wait Rakell right out the door. IF it’s true that 6 or 6.5 for four years Is all Malkin wants (which we don’t know is true) you have to pounce on it now and figure out how to get Rakell signed before July 13th.

The principle of nickel and diming Geno at this stage of UFA negotiations is f****ing stupid.

I get that Hextall is leveraging his timing with his options and the draft and UFA, but there is no reason to dick around a franchise legend like this. Especially if those numbers are true.

 

[Peat]

I think that’s a good way of looking at it. The only real problem with waiting until the 11th hour with these guys is we might wait Rakell right out the door. IF it’s true that 6 or 6.5 for four years Is all Malkin wants (which we don’t know is true) you have to pounce on it now and figure out how to get Rakell signed before July 13th.

At this point I'd assume that he has been talking to Rakell, since he's been conducting multiple negotiations at once, and that given that he's got clear budgets in mind about how much is going to each position, if Rakell was willing to sign for the number Hextall's got in mind it would already be done.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Or maybe you get an equal player at around 4.5m. Or negotiate him down to 5 as well.

This place bellyached endlessly about Rutherford just going out there and paying to get what he wanted, surely a GM that negotiates and seeks value and doesn't just give players their first ask should be a good thing?

For sure. I just think it's weird that there being like a $500K difference in price between the two camps would be somehow irreconcilable.

 

[Zbynek]

For sure. I just think it's weird that there being like a $500K difference in price between the two camps would be somehow irreconcilable.

It shouldn't be, but it is in the Hextall era. Just wondering where that level of stingy was when signing the Carter, Blueger, McGinn deals.

 

[Peat]

For sure. I just think it's weird that there being like a $500K difference in price between the two camps would be somehow irreconcilable.

I have a vague recollection of reading it's a million rather than 500k - that being a possible compromise point - and that's without getting into term. If Hextall wants to do 5 x 4.5m and Rakell is seeking 6 x 5.5m on the open market, that really adds up.

But I guess we'll see how it unfolds.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I have a vague recollection of reading it's a million rather than 500k - that being a possible compromise point - and that's without getting into term. If Hextall wants to do 5 x 4.5m and Rakell is seeking 6 x 5.5m on the open market, that really adds up.

But I guess we'll see how it unfolds.

No sure, and again, it's a matter of negotiation. But I'm going to be annoyed if we pass on Rakell at like 5.5 x 6 and we end up with worse.

It shouldn't be, but it is in the Hextall era. Just wondering where that level of stingy was when signing the Carter, Blueger, McGinn deals.

This is exactly it. I don't mind a guy driving a hard bargin, but man, those hard bargains are very selectively driven 'round these parts.

 

[Peat]

It shouldn't be, but it is in the Hextall era. Just wondering where that level of stingy was when signing the Carter, Blueger, McGinn deals.

He didn't even negotiate the Blueger deal. If you're going to whine, whine accurately.

edit: Also McGinn cost less in UFA than Tanev who he's very similar to, and Carter on the day of signing was a little undercosted compared to similar deals, so... right there.

No sure, and again, it's a matter of negotiation. But I'm going to be annoyed if we pass on Rakell at like 5.5 x 6 and we end up with worse.

I... kinda will? But at the same time if Rakell gets the same usage as he did last season, and slips back to being a good top six forward in terms of scoring rates, we will be complaining about 5.5m very quickly, so...

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think more to the point, being cheap with the top 6 and top pairing while overpaying for bottom 6 and 3rd pairing defensemen is an excellent illustration of the problems this team faces.

 

[Zbynek]

He didn't even negotiate the Blueger deal. If you're going to whine, whine accurately.

edit: Also McGinn cost less in UFA than Tanev who he's very similar to, and Carter on the day of signing was a little undercosted compared to similar deals, so... right there.



I... kinda will? But at the same time if Rakell gets the same usage as he did last season, and slips back to being a good top six forward in terms of scoring rates, we will be complaining about 5.5m very quickly, so...

Excuse me?

The Pittsburgh Penguins have re-signed forward Teddy Blueger to a two-year contract, it was announced today by general manager Ron Hextall.

The one-way deal will run through the 2022-23 campaign and carries an average annual value of $2.2 million.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Klingberg to hit the open market.

Still wish we were signing him rather than Letang.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Klingberg to hit the open market.

Still wish we were signing him rather than Letang.

Why? He is not half the player Letang is and he will cost more.