Post-Game Talk: Pens/Blues: Cappys for Kappy

[Turin]

It all makes sense now. Im surprised Sid likes Sully considering this. Sid is a Habs fan after all.

And who coached the Bruins, the rival of the Habs? Sully.

Sid was replaced by an AI in 2011.

 

[Zirakzigil]

And who coached the Bruins, the rival of the Habs? Sully.

Sid was replaced by an AI in 2011.

It all makes sense now.

 

[HandshakeLine]

f*** no. We are not that rafined.

I heard Quebecois are really just Cajuns who didn't like cocktails.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Everybody knows French Canadians are basically Europeans who just so happen to live on the wrong continent, right @Scandale du Jour ?

French Canadians are those who lost a war 100s of years ago, refuse to admit it now and whos mother country doesnt want.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

French Canadians are those who lost a war 100s of years ago, refuse to admit it now and whos mother country doesnt want.

Every French Canadian reading your comment.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Every French Canadian reading your comment.

Well my ancestors are English so......

 

[Gurglesons]

Simon played like 50 games for the Penguins last year while not with Crosby. So yes, Sullivan continued overplaying him even when he wasn't with Crosby.

Idk, I think the explanation for Sullivan's preferences is pretty obvious. He wants these three things:

1. Straight line, north-south style hockey
2. Responsible defensive players
3. Keep your mouth shut and don't engage in bullshit (focused at Reaves and Cole)

It just so happens that those things come more in NA players than European players. He seemingly liked Hornqvist way more than Kessel, which goes against this "Sullivan hates Europeans" idea.

I mean I’m making the point so obviously it is overblown and not 100% sincere.

 

[ChaosAgent]

East/West hockey doesn't win these days, outside of very special players. Which we don't have.

It sucks that hockey now is a risk averse sport, but it's the equilibrium of the game now. The bad players can still intercept the fancy shiz.
Look at the results the last 2 times NHL players were in the Olympics.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I mean I’m making the point so obviously it is overblown and not 100% sincere.

And I'm agreeing with pixie, so clearly there's something wrong with me.

 

[Gurglesons]

East/West hockey doesn't win these days, outside of very special players. Which we don't have.

It sucks that hockey now is a risk averse sport, but it's the equilibrium of the game now. The bad players can still intercept the fancy shiz.
Look at the results the last 2 times NHL players were in the Olympics.

This simply isn’t true. The most skilled hockey team in the league has essentially won 6 of the last 7 Stanley cups.

Arguably the most East west player in the league has 90+ points in the last three playoffs.

 

[Zirakzigil]

East/West hockey doesn't win these days, outside of very special players. Which we don't have.

It sucks that hockey now is a risk averse sport, but it's the equilibrium of the game now. The bad players can still intercept the fancy shiz.
Look at the results the last 2 times NHL players were in the Olympics.

I strongly disagree with that. Best line in hockey last year (Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk) was a very east west line.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

I think there's a couple of things here, AB, no offense. The first is that more offense does not always equal exciting hockey, at least in my mind. This was clearly a game that the players were emotionally invested in, they thrived on, and when they're playing like that, it could be a 1-0 SO and it'd feel exciting. Secondly, I think the big complaint against this team through the early season has been that they look generally disinterested, and largely because big names like Rust, Dumo, Letang, and even Sid on occasion were taking huge stretches of games off or playing badly/without emotion. And when they showed up to play, they were suddenly no longer boring!

So, that's what I'd like to see on a regular basis. We don't need to keep potting 6 goals a game, but I'd like to see a sustained stretch of play where this team looks like they actually give a shit about the game.

Thirdly, with no disrespect to the Penguins, the Blues are god awful. That team is lost and Berube may take the fall, deservedly or not.

Which french Canadians did Sully overplay? None? Because he chased them all away. Replaced Flower with Murray, Perron was traded shortly after he got there, Brassard's career died when he got to Pittsburgh. The only French Canadian he overplayed was Letang and it was out of spite to make him have a stroke. Sully hates the french confirmed.

That was well-done! After my first take I thought you were serious.

 

[ChaosAgent]

This simply isn’t true. The most skilled hockey team in the league has essentially won 6 of the last 7 Stanley cups.

Arguably the most East west player in the league has 90+ points in the last three playoffs.

Do you mean Kucherov lol?

He is a +126 in 586 games in his career. If you're really freaking good you can play whatever way you want.

The only vaguely analogous player we have to Kucherov is Malkin, and he has not been as effective of an offensive player for the last 5 years. Not only that, but we don't have the best goalie in the world to paper over mistakes.

Then beyond that you're comparing Rakell and Kapanen (your current pet player) to Kucherov? What the actual F. These things are not the same. Kapanen is just a spazzy, streaky electric speed/shot guy. Dude is not USSR 1980 Euro hockey player.

 

[Gurglesons]

Do you mean Kucherov lol?

He is a +126 in 586 games in his career. If you're really freaking good you can play whatever way you want.

The only vaguely analogous player we have to Kucherov is Malkin, and he has not been as effective of an offensive player for the last 5 years. Not only that, but we don't have the best goalie in the world to paper over mistakes.

Then beyond that you're comparing Rakell and Kapanen (your current pet player) to Kucherov? What the actual F. These things are not the same. Kapanen is just a spazzy, streaky electric speed/shot guy. Dude is not USSR 1980 Euro hockey player.

I’m talking play style. You’re the one that said North south is conductive to winning. Which is false.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I’m talking play style. You’re the one that said North south is conductive to winning. Which is false.

You said talent is conducive to winning, which is true.

We don't have the most talent or even close. Skating-wise we are incredibly slow as compared to a Colorado or Tampa. And skating is the most important talent. In its absence we have to determine a path forward. Pretty clearly we don't have the personnel to play a risky East-West game.

It's all totally tangential to your original point also, which is that Sullivan is xenophobic against Rakell and Kapanen. Kapanen is straight line as it gets. If he wants to play East-West, he will be ineffective and should be benched.

 

[Gurglesons]

You said talent is conducive to winning, which is true.

We don't have the most talent or even close. Skating-wise we are incredibly slow as compared to a Colorado or Tampa. And skating is the most important talent. In its absence we have to determine a path forward. Pretty clearly we don't have the personnel to play a risky East-West game.

It's all totally tangential to your original point also, which is that Sullivan is xenophobic against Rakell and Kapanen. Kapanen is straight line as it gets. If he wants to play East-West, he will be ineffective and should be benched.

Calling Tampa a fast team is hilarious.

East west isn’t a “risky game”.

My original point is that Sullivan hates players that don’t play boring north south hockey and that tends to be euros.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Calling Tampa a fast team is hilarious.

East west isn’t a “risky game”.

My original point is that Sullivan hates players that don’t play boring north south hockey and that tends to be euros.

If you want to see our team's brilliance on display playing East-West hockey, watch them try to enter the zone on the powerplay. It is truly magical to see them overwhelm the opposition with their skill in making lateral plays and dekes at the blue line.

 

[Gurglesons]

If you want to see our team's brilliance on display playing East-West hockey, watch them try to enter the zone on the powerplay. It is truly magical to see them overwhelm the opposition with their skill in making lateral plays and dekes at the blue line.

Yes, I understand our coach can’t figure out how to make it an effective part of his system that is my entire point thank you for elaborating on it.

 

[Shady Machine]

It’s weird how people will act like Jeff Carter is death walking and then blame Kasperi Kapanen for not producing when being stuck with him the last two years.

Your Kapanen takes are bizarre to me. Dude has flat out been bad for a while. He was correctly healthy scratched. He deserved to come back (held out a few more games than I’d have liked) and has worked his ass off and played well.

Which player listed had a ton of responsibility outside of Horny and Hagelin nearly 7 years ago?

Rakell literally right now.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I think there's a couple of things here, AB, no offense. The first is that more offense does not always equal exciting hockey, at least in my mind. This was clearly a game that the players were emotionally invested in, they thrived on, and when they're playing like that, it could be a 1-0 SO and it'd feel exciting. Secondly, I think the big complaint against this team through the early season has been that they look generally disinterested, and largely because big names like Rust, Dumo, Letang, and even Sid on occasion were taking huge stretches of games off or playing badly/without emotion. And when they showed up to play, they were suddenly no longer boring!

So, that's what I'd like to see on a regular basis. We don't need to keep potting 6 goals a game, but I'd like to see a sustained stretch of play where this team looks like they actually give a shit about the game.

Half the league take as many games off as this team does. We're not special. People on other boards of teams below us in the standings make the same complaints.
If anything we consistently outchance teams.

Yeah, sure!
People always say that until the goals dry up on a consistent basis. Then the whole fan base freaks out. It was like that last year when we dumpstered teams analytically but couldn't finish. Everyone was crying.
Easy to say in isolated incidents when we score a ton.

Besides, the fact that we score a ton is indicative of high danger chance generation...in other words exciting hockey for most people.

If the Pens are boring then so are 2/3s of the teams in the NHL.

The problem doesn't lie with the team. The problem is that posters have watched way too many games and require too much to be satisfied now. There's also this constant expectation of failure when the playoffs come, so they allow that to affect their enjoyment of the product.

 

[ChaosAgent]

The problem doesn't lie with the team. The problem is that posters have watched way too many games and require too much to be satisfied now. There's also this constant expectation of failure when the playoffs come, so they allow that to affect their enjoyment of the product.

This is true, but also is it wrong?

The Penguins crashing out and embarrassing themselves in '19-'21 (less so last year) has made me jaded towards them. The pre-COVID collapse in 2020 after they looked so good in November-January makes me discount November-January performances from this group. Maybe if they would have fired the coach or changed some of the principals in the group I'd feel differently.

 

[ronduguayshair]

Calling Tampa a fast team is hilarious.

East west isn’t a “risky game”.

My original point is that Sullivan hates players that don’t play boring north south hockey and that tends to be euros.

Your opinion still remains trash no matter how to spin it. We just don’t have young talent capable of being a successful east west player.

Your opinion has no ground to stand on but people entertain it because your the most chronic poster.

This take is embarrassing for you.

 

[Gurglesons]

Your opinion still remains trash no matter how to spin it. We just don’t have young talent capable of being a successful east west player.

Your opinion has no ground to stand on but people entertain it because your the most chronic poster.

This take is embarrassing for you.

I know you are just trying to goad me on so you can report me.

Move along.

Your Kapanen takes are bizarre to me. Dude has flat out been bad for a while. He was correctly healthy scratched. He deserved to come back (held out a few more games than I’d have liked) and has worked his ass off and played well.



Rakell literally right now.

That's the whole issue. Rakell has been great from day one. Why was he ever moved off L1? Why did it take 20 games to get him on the top power play?

I'm not even a huge fan of Kapanen. Our coaches treatment of him is just bizarre. And it's a constant theme with players like Kapanen.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I heard Quebecois are really just Cajuns who didn't like cocktails.

I would have said people from Alabama who do not like their cousins LIKE THAT!

Except for Saguenay. Saguenay really love their cousins.

 

[ronduguayshair]

I know you are just trying to goad me on so you can report me.

Move along.



That's the whole issue. Rakell has been great from day one. Why was he ever moved off L1? Why did it take 20 games to get him on the top power play?

I'm not even a huge fan of Kapanen. Our coaches treatment of him is just bizarre. And it's a constant theme with players like Kapanen.

Having a bad, fabricated opinion is not against the rules of this messageboard.

Neither is disagreeing with it.

I hope we win another cup because the parade route goes east to west. You’d probably enjoy posting about it.