Post-Game Talk: Pens/Blues: Cappys for Kappy

[vodeni]

If anything Sully's bias is to grinders, to the teacher's pets who shut up and play Sully's system.

To make this about ethnicity because Kapanen sucked for a year and a half and Rakell won't get PP1 time is really dumb.

This argument is nothing more than ad hominem.

I agrre, I think its more about type of players he prefers, he was playing Kuhnackl for crying out loud...it just happens taht he prefers those 2-way players, grinding shit out, or they are perceieved to be those kind of players (often he is I think wrong in this assessment but thtas a different issue)

Sullivan only played Kapanen because Heinen sucked so hard for so long that he couldn't explain playing him regularly anymore and the cap space didn't allow him to see anyone called up at that moment. Sullivan fell forward into giving Kapanen a chance and Kapanen being motivated to either get the f*** out of the situation or to show the ignorant f*** that he is a solid player when his confidence is not being destroyed.

there is also some thruth to this, and this is not the only example, it happened before,

 

[HandshakeLine]

Season ticket holder? I envy you guys living in Pitt on nights like these.
Our team has pretty good reason to trust in its 5v5 scoring. Their current rate has to be close to a high point in the Sid era.
People here keep saying the team's boring, but they're 6th in GF/G. Maybe it's the users that are boring and just don't like hockey that much anymore?
They should try watching one of the lower ranked teams as a reality check. We don't have it so bad.

Jarry can let goals in from the opposite goal line for all I care, as long as he doesn't concede more than he should by night's end. All the focus is on the bad goals but he's also making huge saves that fly under the radar. That's 6 in a row with a .919+. Deserves more praise.

I don't know if you can point to one of the most entertaining games of the year as a good example of how we don't play "boring" hockey at times. If we played like this all the time, nobody would be complaining!

 

[vodeni]

Yes, I’d be switching Petry and POJ on the PP units and let POJ have a go with PP1…we’re desperate for someone on that unit who can skate a goid entry and get pucks on net, and I’m coming around to thinking that may be POJ…

absolutely...but I don't see that happening, thats just not how Sully operates

 

[ronduguayshair]

Yes, I’d be switching Petry and POJ on the PP units and let POJ have a go with PP1…we’re desperate for someone on that unit who can skate a goid entry and get pucks on net, and I’m coming around to thinking that may be POJ…

Would POJ shoot the puck like Petry or pass it to the vets?

I'll take Petry's PP worts because he's shoot first.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I don't know if you can point to one of the most entertaining games of the year as a good example of how we don't play "boring" hockey at times. If we played like this all the time, nobody would be complaining!

I was talking about the offense this season, not this game. This was the 6th time they put up a touchdown (minus the kick). This team scores a lot of goals for a "geriatric team" with "no creativity or desire."
If we played like this all the time, we'd be up there in the President's Trophy race. That's unrealistic relative to the strength of the roster.

The opponents aren't gonna let you look this good very often.

 

[PensandCaps]

Couldn't believe how much of a baby Binnington is lol, he's fun to watch.

 

[Zbynek]

Couldn't believe how much of a baby Binnington is lol, he's fun to watch.

Brent Johnson would have f***ed this guy up.

 

[PensandCaps]

Brent Johnson would have f***ed this guy up.

You gotta atleast be good if you're gonna act like that. Seen Methot call him out, seems like most players hate him as much as the fans do lol.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Meow

Meow

 

[Zbynek]

You gotta atleast be good if you're gonna act like that. Seen Methot call him out, seems like most players hate him as much as the fans do lol.

Yea. Need a goalie to stand up and actually fight him when he pulls this ****. A skater could never get away with it but if you get a line brawl going Binnington is fair game.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Would POJ shoot the puck like Petry or pass it to the vets?

I'll take Petry's PP worts because he's shoot first.

That's what his shoot-first mentality leads to. Blocks and zone clearances. He usually takes a long time to release and it gives PK units time to setup.
He'll score occasionally but he'll negate many goals for his unit on the road to his goal.

With how awful PP1 is at controlled entries, they can't afford to have the puck leaving the zone so cheaply on loop.

There's better players than Petry to use on PP1. Just because he's making 6.25 and is a veteran doesn't make him good at it.

 

[ronduguayshair]

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That's what his shoot-first mentality leads to. Blocks and zone clearances. He usually takes a long time to release and it gives PK units time to setup.
He'll score occasionally but he'll negate many goals for his unit on the road to his goal.

With how awful PP1 is at controlled entries, they can't afford to have the puck leaving the zone so cheaply on loop.

There's better players than Petry to use on PP1. Just because he's making 6.25 and is a veteran doesn't make him good at it.

I disagree. I think he's the best D option to get the pucks to the net. If his shot is getting blocked alot its because he's just shooting more everyone else and you're noticing that.

Petry isn't in charge of the entries nor should he be.

 

[ChaosAgent]

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That's what his shoot-first mentality leads to. Blocks and zone clearances. He usually takes a long time to release and it gives PK units time to setup.
He'll score occasionally but he'll negate many goals for his unit on the road to his goal.

With how awful PP1 is at controlled entries, they can't afford to have the puck leaving the zone so cheaply on loop.

There's better players than Petry to use on PP1. Just because he's making 6.25 and is a veteran doesn't make him good at it.

If we are actually trying to win games right now, I'd rather have the better PPQB with the 2nd PP regardless. The first unit is fairly hopeless. The 2nd unit can make some hay.

 

[Gurglesons]

If anything Sully's bias is to grinders, to the teacher's pets who shut up and play Sully's system.

To make this about ethnicity because Kapanen sucked for a year and a half and Rakell won't get PP1 time is really dumb.

This argument is nothing more than ad hominem.

The xenophobia stuff was a joke.

Sullivan just hates East west players which typically is the type of game a Euro is going to play.

 

[chethejet]

the second PP moves and skates and you can see they are moving the puck to get a opening for who ever is open. !st PP is just mindless passing around the ice with no net presence except on occasion Guentzel or now Rakell. But Petry is more of the traditional PP D and I hope that makes the PP more interested in puck movement vs style goals.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

If we are actually trying to win games right now, I'd rather have the better PPQB with the 2nd PP regardless. The first unit is fairly hopeless. The 2nd unit can make some hay.

We're pretty fortunate at how many goals PP2 has pumped out with their limited ice time. I wonder as to its sustainability.
I don't think PP1 is beyond salvaging. It just requires making changes that Reirden+Sullivan won't want to make.

You could start with Rakell doing the zone entries, since he's been like the most reliable Penguin with possession and distribution this season under pressure in the O-zone.
I would go with 5 Forwards too, like many teams do. Having a D-man has not prevented us from giving golden looks to opposition PK's at all.
Or try Joseph at least just to see if that helps.

Sid - Zucker - Malkin
Rakell - Joseph

I could totally see this working for a whole list of reasons. Or use Carter as net-front. We need screens and faceoff W's. He's our best at both of those things.
Sid's getting owned in the dot on the PP and it's an auto-clear.



JC been good on the PP this year. Better than his haters will wanna admit here. So why not?

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

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That's what his shoot-first mentality leads to. Blocks and zone clearances. He usually takes a long time to release and it gives PK units time to setup.
He'll score occasionally but he'll negate many goals for his unit on the road to his goal.

With how awful PP1 is at controlled entries, they can't afford to have the puck leaving the zone so cheaply on loop.

There's better players than Petry to use on PP1. Just because he's making 6.25 and is a veteran doesn't make him good at it.

You shut your mouth...

Sully has no bias except for veterans, who he has coached for a few years, that make > 5 m, oh that only plays the way he wants them to plays... yeah, and when he has *zero* other options.... but other than that!

haha

 

[ronduguayshair]

The xenophobia stuff was a joke.

Sullivan just hates East west players which typically is the type of game a Euro is going to play.

Thanks for the hilarious joke. What's is say about you're posting that people thought you were serious and/or changed your mind after people were critical of it?

Stop posting trash. If you're going to drive the narrative bus I suggest others to stop buying tickets for it.

 

[Gurglesons]

You shut your mouth...

Sully has no bias except for veterans, who he has coached for a few years, that make > 5 m, oh that only plays the way he wants them to plays... yeah, and when he has *zero* other options.... but other than that!

haha

QuIt DrIvInG tHe NaRrAtiVe BuS

 

[Pancakes]

Which player listed had a ton of responsibility outside of Horny and Hagelin nearly 7 years ago?

Rakell is averaging 17:32 TOI to Rust's 17:42. Marcus Pettersson is averaging 20:10 (only Letang and Petry average more).

Malkin obviously gets a ton of responsibility

Teddy Blueger is close to the team lead in SH TOI/G and that number will probably go up now that he's fully back to speed.

Jan Rutta is second on the team in SH TOI/G behind only Dumo.

I know you're mostly trolling about the Euro thing so I dunno why I'm bothering lol. If you want to argue that Sullivan has mismanaged Rakell this year I'm on board. Until recently, he did. I don't have an issue with his handling of Kapanen though. Pretty hard to complain about that when Kapanen sucked a big one before being scratched and has now come back and is playing great. Sure looks like scratching him actually worked in that case.

 

[Gurglesons]

Malkin obviously gets a ton of responsibility

Teddy Blueger is close to the team lead in SH TOI/G and that number will probably go up now that he's fully back to speed.

Jan Rutta is second on the team in SH TOI/G behind only Dumo.

I know you're mostly trolling about the Euro thing so I dunno why I'm bothering lol. If you want to argue that Sullivan has mismanaged Rakell this year I'm on board. Until recently, he did. I don't have an issue with his handling of Kapanen though. Pretty hard to complain about that when Kapanen sucked a big one before being scratched and has now come back and is playing great. Sure looks like scratching him actually worked in that case.

I think people are missing my point.

There is a specific European style of hockey that Sullivan will not reward amongst our players.

For your examples.

Rutta is being used in bigger minutes with Letang gone but he wasn’t to start the season when we were healthy.

Same goes for Pettersson and it’s not like Sullivan hasn’t been giving Petts crappy deployment and tiny minutes since basically his sophomore season.

As far as Blueger he’s never been given a chance at 3C instead players like Jankowski and Carter are immediately plugged into that role.

How long does Rakell’s rope actually last? It’s clear to me he’s a better fit offensively and defensively in the top six, but still you hear quotes from Sullivan about needing to get Rust going.

It’s just the bizarre double treatment. Granted you have players like Simon and Hornqvist that he seemed to love. But Sullivan will not give space to a player who doesn’t play north south over a player that does.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Season ticket holder?

Careful now, that's a slur round these parts.

 

[Pancakes]

It’s just the bizarre double treatment. Granted you have players like Simon and Hornqvist that he seemed to love. But Sullivan will not give space to a player who doesn’t play north south over a player that does.

Which players even fit that bill? Struggling to even think of any outside of Kapanen. Rakell has the ability to play east-west but he's adapted to the way that Crosby and Malkin like to play. There's Malkin of course but he is allowed to play that way because he's Malkin.

The rest of our team (Euros included) are pretty solidly north/south. Blueger is certainly more north-south than east-west.

I'm not sure it's even a square peg round hole thing either because Kapanen is far more effective playing the way he has the past few games rather than his rush the puck up and Gretzky curl style that he was in love with previously.

 

[Gurglesons]

Which players even fit that bill? Struggling to even think of any outside of Kapanen. Rakell has the ability to play east-west but he's adapted to the way that Crosby and Malkin like to play. There's Malkin of course but he is allowed to play that way because he's Malkin.

The rest of our team (Euros included) are pretty solidly north/south. Blueger is certainly more north-south than east-west.

I'm not sure it's even a square peg round hole thing either because Kapanen is far more effective playing the way he has the past few games rather than his rush the puck up and Gretzky curl style that he was in love with previously.

Kapanen is way more of a north south player than Rakell.

Sprong, Puustinen, Rakell, etc.

 

[ronduguayshair]

It’s just the bizarre double treatment. Granted you have players like Simon and Hornqvist that he seemed to love. But Sullivan will not give space to a player who doesn’t play north south over a player that does.

Good, I’m all for that.