Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX
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Luigi Lemieux
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And honestly I'm not a fan of punishing the athletes for what their government is doing. Malkin and Kaprizov have nothing to do with it. Wish they would leave politics out of it completely.
pistolpete11
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Yeah, we just overthrow their government, put puppets that will do whatever we want in charge, and call it "democracy".
Anywho, it's a stupid tournament money grab. They should just let them play in the Olympics since there is an established tradition and history there. But since they aren't making the money, nooooooooooo.
Deport Ogie
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Have a very frank discussion with your Aunts and Uncles.
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Boos & Soft Attendance; Are Penguins Fans Tired of the Core?
If you pay your money, you have the right to boo. That’s the expression, right? Yet it was surprising the Pittsburgh Penguins were the recipient of hometown boos Tuesday despite being in a close game with the Colorado Avalanche. The Penguins eventually faltered late, including some wasted power...
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I will admit I didn't read the article, but this headline pissed me off. How f***ing stupid are these people? We aren't sick of the core. We're sick of boring hockey. We're sick of blowing multi-goal leads. We're sick of the lineup decisions. We're sick of ownership sitting back pretending everything is OK. We're sick of the COACH. WE'RE SICK OF LOSING.
These idiots really think that just because we love Sid, Geno, and Letang that we are going to part with our hard earned money to go be bored for 3 hours and watch them lose on a weekday? This is Pirates level shit. We have Jason Kendall, everyone loves him right? What Jason Bay, he's pretty good. Cutch is back, remember the good ole days?
CheckingLineCenter
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extremely hot take (for this board): Pens haven’t been “boring” this year. They trade chances like crazy.
People not going because they’re not a true contender and it’s expensive. Also would say the vast majority of fans are way too casual to care about who is the coach when they’re buying tix.
People not going because they’re not a true contender and it’s expensive. Also would say the vast majority of fans are way too casual to care about who is the coach when they’re buying tix.
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Honestly, as a season ticket holder, the rough start of the year drained all excitement from the team. I'm 0-6 to games I went to this season and none of them were pretty. It sucked any joy I had in going to more games. And now it's hard to even GIVE away tickets, especially on the week night.
Couple that with the fact that the Steelers are having a great season, far above expectations, and there is absolutely no hype for the Penguins. 2 years of playoff losses and a horrible start has really drained interest in caring from the fan base. Which makes sense, Pittsburgh isn't that big of a city and with 3 professional sports teams, the fans are going to pay more attention to the one that's winning and exciting.
That's even before talking about it being kind of expensive for the average person. The ROI just isn't there if there's a chance you show up to a game and they give up 6 goals in the first period.
Buddy Bizarre
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This is really no different than an embargo when you don't like the actions of a particular country.
Embargoes hurt your common worker, but no one seems to really care about them either.
It's political theatre, nothing else.
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Boos & Soft Attendance; Are Penguins Fans Tired of the Core?
If you pay your money, you have the right to boo. That’s the expression, right? Yet it was surprising the Pittsburgh Penguins were the recipient of hometown boos Tuesday despite being in a close game with the Colorado Avalanche. The Penguins eventually faltered late, including some wasted power...
I will admit I didn't read the article, but this headline pissed me off. How f***ing stupid are these people? We aren't sick of the core. We're sick of boring hockey. We're sick of blowing multi-goal leads. We're sick of the lineup decisions. We're sick of ownership sitting back pretending everything is OK. We're sick of the COACH. WE'RE SICK OF LOSING.
These idiots really think that just because we love Sid, Geno, and Letang that we are going to part with our hard earned money to go be bored for 3 hours and watch them lose on a weekday? This is Pirates level shit. We have Jason Kendall, everyone loves him right? What Jason Bay, he's pretty good. Cutch is back, remember the good ole days?
I'd watch more of THIS team with a simple change of putting Sid/Geno on a line together.
Boring hockey is an understatement. This team is often brutal to watch and makes feel that tuning in is a chore. Soft skating, ZERO physicality, horrid offense, bad defense, bad goaltending, arrogant coaching...it's just not likeable. On top of that we have TV folks who are afraid of calling actual issues out. Errey would have spit roasted them 20 games ago. Instead we get Getzoff HUGE HIT BY ACCIARIIIIIIIII (It was actually Nieto who simply fell down in the corner) and the other former players who just spit cliche's that they know we're not capable of like "Yeah the Pens need a goal here, big momentum shift"....
But yeah, getting to see something on the sinking ship I've wanted to see for a decade would be neat. Second place would be trading for some maniac who will muck things up. Third would be playing youth that you wouldn't otherwise see. Pining the same tired system with less and less and less offense / worse defense over the years is lunacy. Why should we tune in?
If this is what Sid or Geno or Letang want, enjoy it guys. Don't get pissy we don't partake. More than likely, this is what the front office wants with an absent GM (someone check the youth hockey attendance or 2027 draft class he's 'masterminding' lol) so they can watch.
Chance one way is from a top line usually 3 on 1. Chance the other way is DOC or Beau maybe getting a shot off into the side of the net while the defense is draped all over them.
That's not exciting....at least not to me.
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That's probably fair, but I stopped watching weeks ago
mainly because the losing and sticking with the coach.Although, I'd say giving up chances is not exciting unless your goalie can stop them from time to time.
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I agree. I don’t think it’s boring hockey- imo it’s as simple as they’re not good and it’s expensive as hell.
Arena prices are getting nuts. Went to PSU-Army last night in cap one arena (DC) and 2 tall boys ran me $45
Deport Ogie
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I haven't watched as much this year and it has nothing to do with boring hockey, it's because of infuriating hockey. Boring or even unskilled I can deal with but repeated mental errors and incompetent strategy/structure are harder to swallow.
Empoleon8771
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Might want to call up Trotz and take him to the cleaners for a 3rd time to get another young guy.
Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9-11.
A lot of hockey is the escapism for me which is why I don’t like talking about it here.
Empoleon8771
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I don’t give enough shits about the 4 nations tournament for me to argue about the politics of whether Russia should be included
The Olympics are the only international event that matters.
The Olympics are the only international event that matters.
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I think there are several ways to look at this. First, I think we need to distinguish the groups of "fans". If you take the time to come here, read, and respond, you probably have more general hockey knowledge and Penguins knowledge than the majority of the fans that attend the games. So there's an upper echelon of fans that have a greater awareness of the team, the issues, and what can be done. Next down are fans that likely go and watch games, understand hockey, but maybe aren't super knowledgeable about things like coaching systems, prospect development, quality of each player on the ice, etc. Then you have people that show up and watch because they like hockey but really have no idea about any of the above. All they know is Crosby is the best player in the league and that means he should always be able to score goals and that the Penguins should always win because, well, that's what they always do so why would it change?Boos & Soft Attendance; Are Penguins Fans Tired of the Core?
If you pay your money, you have the right to boo. That’s the expression, right? Yet it was surprising the Pittsburgh Penguins were the recipient of hometown boos Tuesday despite being in a close game with the Colorado Avalanche. The Penguins eventually faltered late, including some wasted power...
I will admit I didn't read the article, but this headline pissed me off. How f***ing stupid are these people? We aren't sick of the core. We're sick of boring hockey. We're sick of blowing multi-goal leads. We're sick of the lineup decisions. We're sick of ownership sitting back pretending everything is OK. We're sick of the COACH. WE'RE SICK OF LOSING.
These idiots really think that just because we love Sid, Geno, and Letang that we are going to part with our hard earned money to go be bored for 3 hours and watch them lose on a weekday? This is Pirates level shit. We have Jason Kendall, everyone loves him right? What Jason Bay, he's pretty good. Cutch is back, remember the good ole days?
I think there are fans that don't want to see our heroes struggle. It's like watching your mom or dad get old, or watching your dog struggle to stand up. You love them and you always want to think about them in the best light so when there are struggles, it's hard to internalize which breeds anger. I don't think they are mad at Sid, Geno, or Letang individually. I think they are mad because deep down they know these guys are old and slowing down and they are no longer the talented powerhouse they were ten years ago, and they don't want that for them. Like honestly, who doesn't want good things for Sid, Geno, or Letang? I do.
Then there are fans like us here on the board who loathe Sullivan and understand the harsh impacts of a stale coaching system. And we know that FSG's infatuation with him is likely holding back the opportunity to breathe new life into the twilight of the core's career.
One aspect that I think in common in the fans, the team, and the front office that is a complete and utter detriment in times like this is the loyalty card. There is zero doubt that the fans in Pittsburgh tend to prioritize love of player over all else. Never forget, there was a lady with a sign that said "We want Fleury" even though Murray was able to carry the team to a Cup. So keeping guys even though it's not in the overall best interest of the team has longer-term consequences. We maybe shouldn't have given Letang the 6-year deal. We probably should have been willing to walk away from Jarry. Rust should probably have been traded off at some point. Sullivan should have been gone 4 years ago. This fierce loyalty can hurt a franchise. But...that is what this franchise has deemed important. That's part of the culture that has been created. That vision/value is not necessarily a bad thing until is yields bad situations, like Sullivan.
I'm not sick of the core. I still love Sid, Geno, and Letang and am generally happy they are still here for another 1-2 years after this. What I AM sick of is the Sullivan system of hockey that breeds the same shit hockey game in and game out where a win is the direct result of the players collectively overcoming it. I am sick of the non-impact players on the roster. I would rather they play youth. I am sick of the relative lack of movement to spark this team. Rotating Kevin f***ing Hayes and Matt f***ing Nieto while benching Puljujarvi is the type of long-term shit I'm sick of. And that has nothing to do with the core. Now, if you're winning games, you can mask those frustrations. I hated Adams and Glass but we were also a dominant team in the league so it was easier to digest. At this point, when you're a bottom 10 team, shit like that gets harder to hide.
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KrisLetAngry
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I don’t give enough shits about the 4 nations tournament for me to argue about the politics of whether Russia should be included
The Olympics are the only international event that matters.
Agreed. Olympics when NHL players can play is all I care about.
I couldn't tell you 2018 and 2022 what happened.
KrisLetAngry
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Definitely hope Dubas is in on Cozens. It is a tad awkward he is a center / right wing player.
Trading a Bunting and putting Rakell on LW for Geno.
Could give Crosby a youth scorer on his line.
Trading a Bunting and putting Rakell on LW for Geno.
Could give Crosby a youth scorer on his line.
Sullivan is just coaching a game that doesn't exist today. He needs to go as he won't change. Key here is Dubas. He knows that to move forward he needs to leave the past behind. Sullivan has to go after this year. If he is back, fans will simply see a franchise that is so out of touch that it is not worth time and money to be a part of. Everyone knows what has to happen. Fans will live with a rebuild but not a bad product that exists only to keep some phony narrative alive.
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Dear lord if we could get Parssinen from Nashville as well, that would be amazing. I love the trend of snagging quality young guys who are having a mildly underwhelming year. Parssinen is the type of guy you can bring in and send Bunting or Rakell out (Rakell for a haul). I tend to think Robertson might fit this category as well along with Hoglander.
Re: Cozens, I get why teams would call and want him, I don't get why the Sabres would want to trade him...
Re: Cozens, I get why teams would call and want him, I don't get why the Sabres would want to trade him...
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Spitballing here but Parssinen is 6'3 212lbs. Practically the same size and production as DOC. DOC is 3yr older. I think a swap would benefit both teams equally.
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Bunting-Lizotte-Beau/Glass
Hayes-Acciari-Glass/Beau
Like Glass and Tomasino, seems like a move right up Dubas's alley.
You advocated HARD for PLD. I don't get how you could like PLD but not like Cozens.
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Bunting-Lizotte-Beau/Glass
Hayes-Acciari-Glass/Beau
Like Glass and Tomasino, seems like a move right up Dubas's alley.
$7.1mil for a 23yo center who could develop into a reliable 30-30 guy isn't bad. I would take that here to be 2C once Malkin retires.
You advocated HARD for PLD. I don't get how you could like PLD but not like Cozens.
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When they traded Jake and refused to fire a coach that continues to lose that sends a message to the fans. Which is we are not trying to win on any given night. Yeah, the fans that pay for tickets aren’t going to appreciate that.Boos & Soft Attendance; Are Penguins Fans Tired of the Core?
If you pay your money, you have the right to boo. That’s the expression, right? Yet it was surprising the Pittsburgh Penguins were the recipient of hometown boos Tuesday despite being in a close game with the Colorado Avalanche. The Penguins eventually faltered late, including some wasted power...
I will admit I didn't read the article, but this headline pissed me off. How f***ing stupid are these people? We aren't sick of the core. We're sick of boring hockey. We're sick of blowing multi-goal leads. We're sick of the lineup decisions. We're sick of ownership sitting back pretending everything is OK. We're sick of the COACH. WE'RE SICK OF LOSING.
These idiots really think that just because we love Sid, Geno, and Letang that we are going to part with our hard earned money to go be bored for 3 hours and watch them lose on a weekday? This is Pirates level shit. We have Jason Kendall, everyone loves him right? What Jason Bay, he's pretty good. Cutch is back, remember the good ole days?
The only way you can blame the core is if they’re the ones keeping Sully here but ultimately we don’t know that.
Gurglesons
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Because PLD was a consistent 60 point player. Cozens has done it once in 5 years.
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