Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

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I think Dubas was in the see what happens but pretty clear this team is just not very good. They can win games but to get on the kind of run to secure a playoff just isn't in the cards. With PP issues and forced to play players who just can't play at the level needed, the roster rebuild has to happen. Carter gone, opens up a spot like a Poulin. Time to see where things are with Jake. If he wants 10 AAV and 8 years see ya, Actually I prefer he be moved in the right deal. Move Jake, play DOC up and whoever you get back in the Jake deal.

DOC Sid Rakell
? Geno Puusitinen
Smith Eller Rust
? Poulin Acciari
 
What makes this team so bad? Clearly it must not be a coaching staff that thinks 13.25 % season long is an acceptable track record for special teams!
 
What makes this team so bad? Clearly it must not be a coaching staff that thinks 13.25 % season long is an acceptable track record for special teams!

Pfffft. Who pays attention to actual results when you can wrap yourself in the warm blanket of fantasyland make-believe numbers that assure you that by golly you're doing GREAT and it's just mean ol' bad luck that's gettin' ya down! Like... years of bad luck. Cursed even! Hey yeah... cursed. You see... you bunch of chicken littles didn't consider that didja? This isn't on the staff at all... this is the work of some malevolent spirit! Only waving some sage around and Trusting The Process™ will help them, now.

Oh and blaming Erik Karlsson, of course. And the other guy I'm not really allowed to talk about or I'll get yelled at.
 
Did anyone see Puljujarvis lastest goal on the Powerplay. Funny to see that team moving the puck around like that and all we do is shoot into bodies and closed lanes if we even get one off.

Puljujarvi is the savior
 
If we're at the point that double hip surgery bust guy is this team's savior it's maybe even darker than I figured.

Not that I object. Call him up... his play deserves reward. Though that's not typically how things are done in Pittsburgh.
 
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Ya and dont get me wrong granlund was awful but just look. He is back to a 60pts pace in San jose. He was a 20pt pace here and used horrendously
He gets a lot more ice time in San Jose, especially on the PP.

The Pens for some reason thought they could acquire him and use him in a shut down role for reasons??

But yes it is classic Hextall/Sully to acquire guys and use them in roles they aren't fit for.
 
Anyway, I hope Geno changes his number to 11 this summer and retires a year early with Sid 18 months from now. This team's never gonna have the balls to turn the page while Sid's still playing and I'd rather see them retire a year too soon than turn into Shaq on the Celtics or some shit. Especially since this team's only gonna get worse, and the organization's already dogshit.
 
I'm obviously mostly joking kinda

At this point are we really, though?

Like... what in the world does Harkins do on this team that he gets a sweater every night. I know Carter HAS to play but does he, really? Colin White... really? Noel "WTF am I doing out here in OT" Acciari? What is there to lose by simply shuffling the deck based on merit?
 
At this point are we really, though?

Like... what in the world does Harkins do on this team that he gets a sweater every night. I know Carter HAS to play but does he, really? Colin White... really? Noel "WTF am I doing out here in OT" Acciari? What is to gain by simply shuffling the deck based on merit?

I have no real issue with seeing White up here for a stint. It hasn't been long and I've seen some solid. I meant Puustinen while playing ok has 0 points in 10 games.

Puljujarvi will be up soon as well as Poulin

Look at the puck movement lol


 
He gets a lot more ice time in San Jose, especially on the PP.

The Pens for some reason thought they could acquire him and use him in a shut down role for reasons??

But yes it is classic Hextall/Sully to acquire guys and use them in roles they aren't fit for.

Dear God, Granlund would have been atrocious in our top 6 last year.

Don't let point accumulation on the X Gen Pens blind you to that. Sully has a lot to answer for but burying Granlund once acquired is not even on the list. Granlund sucked. And people whine about the finishing now! Granlund was a worse finisher than Dom Simon.
 
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I have no real issue with seeing White up here for a stint. It hasn't been long and I've seen some solid. I meant Puustinen while playing ok has 0 points in 10 games.

Puljujarvi will be up soon as well as Poulin

I dunno what if anything Puus is but I know that trying to cram square pegs into round holes rarely works without a big hammer and lots of stubborn stupidity.

Wish I had your confidence on the latter. We'll see.
 
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I dunno what if anything Puus is but I know that trying to cram square pegs into round holes rarely works without a big hammer and lots of stubborn stupidity.

Wish I had your confidence on the latter. We'll see.

Welcome to the thought processes of 90 % of coaches in all leagues. Definitely egos out there. Some much worse than others
 
Right. Which is why I don't like coaches.

Yeah sure Todd "one powerplay goal ever" Reirden... show me how it's done!

I don't know how Reirden at the very least isn't or hasn't been gone. It's not like the Powerplay just suddenly hasn't worked.

It's been a problem for a very long time. And the difference between winning/losing playoff series as well as comfortably in a playoff position
 
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Did anyone see Puljujarvis lastest goal on the Powerplay. Funny to see that team moving the puck around like that and all we do is shoot into bodies and closed lanes if we even get one off.

Puljujarvi is the savior
there were a lot more players involved than just him. we need to bring up the whole pp team.
 
Dear God, Granlund would have been atrocious in our top 6 last year.

Don't let point accumulation on the X Gen Pens blind you to that. Sully has a lot to answer for but burying Granlund once acquired is not even on the list. Granlund sucked. And people whine about the finishing now! Granlund was a worse finisher than Dom Simon.
Eh, I still think we would have gotten more use out of him trying to shoehorn him into the top six/pp rather than using him as a shutdown guy.

That said, it was idiotic of Hextall to acquire him in the first place.
 
It's friggin' hilarious that this team's braintrust signed off on Granlund as a third line shutdown player.

I'm sure Mike was locked out of the process, though and had nothing to do with that. He never does. Won't this year either I bet.
 
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What makes this team so bad? Clearly it must not be a coaching staff that thinks 13.25 % season long is an acceptable track record for special teams!
I believe it's a three-part problem:

1. The power play is not providing the production needed to get the extra wins. We all know that the PP can "win games". They aren't getting those wins due to the PP. I think there's a two part problem to that: 1. Player ego - believing that "we can go out and rely on skill to score because we are Sid, Geno, Letang, Karlsson, and Jake n' Bake". They can no longer do that because individually, they no longer possess that skill level. 2. Coaching. There is no structure, system, goal, anything to their powerplay. It's literally just go out and score. If they IS anything of that sort, it's SOOOO BAD that it should be a fireable offense.

2. The inconsistent goaltending. They are either good enough to steal game or bad enough to lose them. Rarely do we get the in-between. Both Jarry and Neds have stolen games and singlehandedly lost games for this team this year. One of my knocks on Jarry this year has been, while his stats say he's been decent, there's an element of "untimely goals against". Part of being a good goalie is making the right saves at the right time. There have been times where he's let up a goal in crucial moments of the game and they lose. At the end of the day, the goalie's job is to stop the puck. They are the last line of defense. That's their sole purpose and they've let the team down multiple times in singular instances this year.

3. They do not play a 60 minute game. They do not possess a roster good enough to play 40 and win. This team needs to play balls out for 60 min with a certain level of discipline to win. They don't get that every single game. They do not have a roster that has enough impact players to get that effort. There is no "next man up" situation. Rarely can we say "geez, Sid had a bad game but thank the lord Lars Eller was there to help carry the team". I will say this happens when you have an aged out core. 60min per game, 82 games per season is a lot to ask of this core at their age.

A lot of this falls on Sullivan. He should have been fired long ago. It's a bleeding, infected wound at this point and healing cannot happen until the dead, leaking limb is lopped off.

Some of this is on Dubas. Only about half of the moves he made have worked out. Some aren't doing well, but I believe Sullivan is more the culprit than Dubas, for example, Reilly Smith. I think that was a tremendous trade by Dubas. I think the overall poor performance that we now see is a symptom of Sullivan and not because Reilly Smith suddenly sucks at hockey and Dubas made a bad trade. I don't know exactly how much of Sullivan's continued existence with this team is on Dubas but he's not blameless.

The team is just flat out stale. I do think they are better than they are or rather, capable of more than they've shown. But they aren't getting anywhere as is.
 
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Eh, I still think we would have gotten more use out of him trying to shoehorn him into the top six/pp rather than using him as a shutdown guy.

That said, it was idiotic of Hextall to acquire him in the first place.
It was idiotic because he had no fit. Not even a passable one. Terrible bottom-6 option with how this team deploys their 3rd and 4th lines, dogshit in a top-6 role, desperately needs huge PP time to accumulate any points. Granlund's getting points in SJ, like you said, because he's an NHL-caliber player on a team that's close to historically terrible. :laugh: It's the Ponikarovsky effect of getting points just by virtue of being the only half-competent guy on a dumpster team.
 
Eh, I still think we would have gotten more use out of him trying to shoehorn him into the top six/pp rather than using him as a shutdown guy.

That said, it was idiotic of Hextall to acquire him in the first place.

And our 1st or 2nd line would have suffered badly for it. Granlund is terrible.
 
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