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It’s Rossi so take it with a big grain of salt but he’s been very loudly adamanent on twitter lately that Sid’s re-signing in the summer and that he’s told people privately he’s not interested in playing anywhere else.

Again, it’s Rossi.
 
Gurglesons said:
Wins in what fashion?

Like he could “hope” to win a cup, but if he doesn’t what good is it for his legacy..?
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Playoff wins.

If you don't think it bothers Crosby that this team has been a wet fart in the playoffs for years then... I... uh... disagree.

But again... not gonna happen.
 
I would be absolutely dumbfounded, astounded into complete speechlessness, if Sid ever played elsewhere. I just do not believe he'd do it. This isn't me projecting fandom into the equation, I couldn't really care less, but I don't see Sid picking up and playing somewhere else for his last couple of years as an NHLer. I think he'd sooner retire with gas left in the tank than leave.
 
Crosby is not leaving I'm 100% sure about that one!!

But Jake, I'm not sure he wants to stay here long term, especially once these guys retire. Also, he will definitely make more money if he signs elsewhere IMO!
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Playoff wins.

If you don't think it bothers Crosby that this team has been a wet fart in the playoffs for years then... I... uh... disagree.

But again... not gonna happen.
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Sid will probably be the last one to realize that won't happen in Pittsburgh.

He probably thinks with the right moves they will be right back in it.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
Sid will probably be the last one to realize that won't happen in Pittsburgh.

He probably thinks with the right moves they will be right back in it.
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You have to have mountains of confidence and belief both in yourself and in the wagon you've hitched yourself to if you want to be one of the best. The minute doubt and second-guessing creeps in that edge is lost.

Like... you know... pretty much the rest of the team outside of Sid.
 
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Man, I was cruising draft rankings this morning. This team could really use Cayden Lindstrom. 6'4, 215lb and he can move. Could be a Lindros-lite guy. Was discussing in other threads if it comes down to it, who do you pick Demidov or Lindstrom and honestly, it's a tough choice.

The more I think about it, the more I am on the "waive the white flag this year" send out what you can, then retool next year and hope you get a couple good prospects to add to the system.

Jake for Lekkeimaki + 1st 2025 (the assumption being that our 24 pick is top 10) with the assumption that we could be getting a roster player back.
Smith for a 2nd
Assume one of Nieto or Acciari are sent out for a late, irrelevant pick

In my gushy universe, we end up at the 10OV slot but "win" the lottery to pick higher. Celebrini and Demidov are off the list, and we get Lindstrom. Going into next year with $25mil in cap space and a prospect pool of Yager, Lekkeimaki, and Lindstrom up front would be really, really nice. That could be a future top line for us. Both Yager and Lekkeimaki have nasty shots. More or less, this is a "reset" on last year. Or a "do over" for Dubas. With that cap space, you can do one of two things - 1. Go the Smith route again and take a quality player that is a cap casualty while not having to send cap back. 2. Go the FA route and try to target 1-2 guys to fill holes.
 
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Sid definitely still believes in himself. But Sid also probably realizes this team's an extreme longshot anymore. It's one thing to have that bravado to be the best, it's another to be deluded. I dunno.

It's really just gonna come down to what happens with Jake, and where the team's at after next season. Again, I wouldn't be surprised either way; if he hung 'em up or if he kept on for another two years.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Sid definitely still believes in himself. But Sid also probably realizes this team's an extreme longshot anymore. It's one thing to have that bravado to be the best, it's another to be deluded. I dunno.

It's really just gonna come down to what happens with Jake, and where the team's at after next season. Again, I wouldn't be surprised either way; if he hung 'em up or if he kept on for another two years.
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Confidence is very often delusion haha
 
SEALBound said:
Man, I was cruising draft rankings this morning. This team could really use Cayden Lindstrom. 6'4, 215lb and he can move. Could be a Lindros-lite guy. Was discussing in other threads if it comes down to it, who do you pick Demidov or Lindstrom and honestly, it's a tough choice.
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at this point in time I'm again looking at the Russian factor. so demidov could be the last of the prime picks left. and if he's gone this is the year to give up our first and just start looking at next years kids and do a proper tank.
edit; is there more room for me in your gushy universe? looks like a nice place to live. imo
 
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Gurglesons said:
I’m not sure what Sid has to gain leaving the Penguins.
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He’s not going to, but I could hypothetically see choosing to retire instead of hanging around carrying a horrible team for 3 or 4 more years.

He probably should take it one year at a time at this point. Unless he wants to do us a solid and sign an 8 year declining salary deal to get his cap hit to like 3 mill and become allergic to Reebok gear around year 4.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Playoff wins.

If you don't think it bothers Crosby that this team has been a wet fart in the playoffs for years then... I... uh... disagree.

But again... not gonna happen.
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I'm sure it bothers him, but at the same time he's tied for 5th all time in playoff points. How much further is he really going to go up?

If anything Malkin is probably more annoyed by that. He could be top 10 if we had a little bit of a run at any point the last few years.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
There is research and due diligence, and then there is seeing things firsthand.

Dubas absolutely did his research. He probably looked at past scouting reports of what the Pens had in their organization and at the NHL level, used contacts to learn what others thought of the coaching staff, etc.

We do the same when we're looking at jobs, right? Ask around, look for red flags, see who you know who might know something more than the HR folks are telling you.

But there is nothing like getting in and seeing things yourself. And I can count numerous times in my own life when I've joined an organization or taken a new job and had been told by outsiders, "Yeah, it's a good place, but Person A has their fingerprints all over it and screws it up," only to find out Person B is the one making the decisions and Person A is the scapegoat. And, of course, sometimes Person A does just suck.

And that's why you do your own evaluations, especially as a manager. Do your research, be prepared, and then let people show their true selves after you're in position to make decisions.
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If I'm looking at a job at a store as the new district manager whose revenue has been declining for the past 6 or 7 years and the same manager (guy a position below mine) has been there the entire time, I don't need to work closely with that store for the next year before realizing that maybe there's something about that guy that's causing poor sales, especially when all the other potential causes (ie. employees, area the store is located, sales at other stores in the area, etc.) have been researched as not being the issue.

If Dubas came into the job not having at least some concerns whether it was the coaching considering the same coach has been behind the bench for numerous straight 1st round losses, then he certainly should see that it's an issue by now considering he's witnessing firsthand the same issues we've seen for years.

Gurglesons said:
I'm sure it bothers him, but at the same time he's tied for 5th all time in playoff points. How much further is he really going to go up?

If anything Malkin is probably more annoyed by that. He could be top 10 if we had a little bit of a run at any point the last few years.
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Never making the playoffs again and getting to have one or two prolonged playoff runs before he retires is probably the difference between staying at 5th and potentially moving up to 3rd all-time.

That seems like a pretty big deal.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I'm sure it bothers him, but at the same time he's tied for 5th all time in playoff points. How much further is he really going to go up?
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Maybe he's less concerned about legacy and more concerned about enjoying his job. If he enjoys deep playoff runs, this isn't the place to get them.
 
ChaosAgent said:
Maybe he's less concerned about legacy and more concerned about enjoying his job. If he enjoys deep playoff runs, this isn't the place to get them.
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If there has ever been a player more concerned about his legacy than Sidney Crosby in the NHL, I'm not sure I can think of him.

Dude won't even drink beers in pictures lol.
 
The Old Master said:
at this point in time I'm again looking at the Russian factor. so demidov could be the last of the prime picks left. and if he's gone this is the year to give up our first and just start looking at next years kids and do a proper tank.
edit; is there more room for me in your gushy universe? looks like a nice place to live. imo
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The "Russian factor" is always something to consider but I think Demidov is good enough to overcome that. I don't think GMs will be on the fence. The only thing I could see is perhaps team needs. Like if Anaheim gets 2OV, they may opt for Silayev, Levshunov, or Dickenson to replace Drydale given what they now have at forward.

Yes, with the season we are having, being gushy and dreaming about big happenings at the draft with a high pick is one of the rare forms of excitement.

Reminds me of 2020 when we were on the block to potentially get the 1OV that went to NYR. Who took Lafreinere :laugh:. But I remember dreaming heavily of the 1OV and either taking him or trading down. Given how crapy that season turned out, that was one of the fun parts about summer.

As of now, the potential return for Jake and what kind of prospect we could get is about as fun as we get.
 
I'm pretty sure Sid has always been so much better than everyone on his teams that he doesn't even realize how bad this one is.

It's just another Tuesday in his experience.
 
Gurglesons said:
If there has ever been a player more concerned about his legacy than Sidney Crosby in the NHL, I'm not sure I can think of him.

Dude won't even drink beers in pictures lol.
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Hah.
I don't think Sid ever asks out, but I wouldn't blame him if he did. Same with Malkin and Letang.
 
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