Value of: Pens 22 1st (pick 21) + Dumoulin

[Merc29]

If the Pens needed or wanted to move up in the first round, would there be any interest by any team that would like to trade down to add Dumo?

One year left at 4.1m. Top 4 quality defenseman.

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[Djp]

Doubt it……

there is a big difference in quality of players

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Pens should not. We need him. Especially since I feel Letang is gone

Re-sign Geno and draft a RHD at 21 OA

If Letang leaves and Rakell leaves we will have plenty to go after Boeser/Forsberg if they reach FA which both would be ideal wingers for Malkin

 

[DJN21]

Is he rhd or lhd?

 

[jmelm]

Doubt it……

there is a big difference in quality of players

Not necessarily. It depends how high they would be moving and how that given team would have their rankings. However it's very unlikely to happen, because:

The only teams who would add Dumoulin (who has 1 year left on his deal) are playoff/Cup contending teams, so that rules out most of the teams in the top 15-16 anyway. Everyone picking in the top 16 (except maybe NYI) is going to make a big playoff push next year and also have a glaring need for a LHD rental Dman.

So the list of teams ahead of Pittsburgh (#21) who would fancy themselves a playoff contender AND have both a need and desire for a top 4 LHD is very small. For example, the only teams in the top 16 who expect to be playoff teams next year and would have interest in adding Dumoulin are the Islanders (#13) and the Golden Knights (but they don't even have a pick). So really you're talking about 1 team in the top 13 would may have interest.

Then you go down to the teams who made the playoffs but are picking higher in the draft than Pittsburgh: Nashville, Dallas, L.A. and Washington. Of those teams, Nashville obviously doesn't need a LH top 4 Dman. DAL is probably standing pat with Heiskanen/Suter/etc.. LA Kings are a team I could see wanting a bona fide top 4 LHD and could possibly have interst. Finally, Washington is tight against the cap and will prioritize goaltending and other moves -- but let's pretend for argument's sake they were interested.

WSH: 1 spot ahead of PIT (pick #20)
LAK: 2 spots ahead of PIT (pick #19)
NYI: 8 spots ahead of PIT (#13)

From the Penguins point of view, they're not giving up Dumoulin to move up 1 or 2 spots, so remove WSH and LA as possible trade up partners. So that only leaves 1 team where the Penguins could potentially value moving up 8 spots as being more valuable than the standalone return they could get for Dumoulin (say 2 second rounders, or a second a B prospect). Whether NYI would be interested in moving down that many spots is SOLELY determined on how they have their tiers ranked. If they have their rankings in such a way that they believe they'll get a comparable player at 21 than 13, I could see them being intersted. If not, there's zero trade up scenarios with the Penguins and Dumoulin that make sense this year.

The far more practical outcome is for the Penguins to trade Dumoulin for another team that gives them the best return. If they want to trade up in the draft, they can try to do that separately.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

The teams that would be most interested in Brian Dumoulin are generally the ones picking after the Penguins, not before them.

 

[jmelm]

The teams that would be most interested in Brian Dumoulin are generally the ones picking after the Penguins, not before them.

Yeah, I could have just said that. The post would have been a lot shorter

 

[OCPenguin]

Dumo has minimal value on the trade front.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Dumo has minimal value on the trade front.

The closer teams are to the playoffs, the more his value will increase.

What team wouldn't want to bolster a playoff run with a 6'4" defensive defenseman who played top pairing minutes on 2 Cup winners? And he's only 31, and an impending UFA.

If the Pens don't make the playoffs this year for whatever reason, Dumo will be a valuable piece at the deadline.

 

[SEALBound]

Dumo has minimal value on the trade front.

He's a #2 dman making $4.1mil on an expiring deal with two cups worth of experience on a top pairing.

He has value. He does. That's not even a question. Is he worth 5 1sts? No. Does he have "minimal value on the trade front"? No. Lol, no.

 

[jmelm]

He's a #2 dman making $4.1mil on an expiring deal with two cups worth of experience on a top pairing.

He has value. He does. That's not even a question. Is he worth 5 1sts? No. Does he have "minimal value on the trade front"? No. Lol, no.

And especially if we retain (I know, unlikely unless we end up not signing some big boys). But at full price, he can still bring back a 2nd rounder + (something else) all day long.

He would be a great fit in NYI to play with Dobson.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Just give us futures you are not re upping him and he can’t skate anymore. Marino and Petterson if not moved are the 2nd line and POJ starts out on 3rd D. I would take a late 1st or a couple 2nds in a heartbeat