Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Gurglesons]

No, because Rakell and Mangiapane have basically identical production over the last 3 years.

It's a change of scenery swap for both of them.

I don't see it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't see it.

Idk in the last 4 years:

Mangiapane: 84 goals and 170 points in 295 games
Rakell: 72 goals and 166 points in 274 games

Now I think Mangiapane is a bit better (mostly from being a better ES scorer) and is younger, so the Penguins would be adding. But I think the basis would absolutely be Rakell+ for Mangiapane.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Mangiapane needs a new contract, too. Not sure this is a fit. Like the player, not his current situation or ours.

Oliver Wahlstrom is definitely the buy-low type of player I want.

 

[Gurglesons]

Idk in the last 4 years:

Mangiapane: 84 goals and 170 points in 295 games
Rakell: 72 goals and 166 points in 274 games

Now I think Mangiapane is a bit better (mostly from being a better ES scorer) and is younger, so the Penguins would be adding. But I think the basis would absolutely be Rakell+ for Mangiapane.

Rakell's contract is negative value.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

IF there is a trade for Rakell that makes sense, sure go ahead and do it. I am under the assumption that his value is low right now, so I would focus on Smith, Jarry, Eller and Acciari.

Rakell does not have to play with Malkin to be useful to this franchise. We have a Swedish contingent, so he does fit. Plus, he is the type of player who can really help younger forwards entering the league. I could see him as a good mentor for a Yager, a Poulin, a Ponomarev, etc.

I would not be trying to move him, and I certainly don't want to pay future assets to move him out. AND, if you really want to move him, then put him with Crosby at the start of the season.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah I'd backtrack on the Rakell for Mangiapane swap, if there would be a swap there it would almost definitely be Smith for Mangiapane. Both sides would be gambling on the other guy rebounding and getting a better performance out of what they got last year. I imagine Mangiapane would be the "Guentzel replacement" and would bump O'Connor to L3 if they were to make that change.

 

[Pens1566]

Rakell is about 12th or so down the list of "problems" this team has right now.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Another cheap option that could be available: Buffalo is allegedly considering buying out Jeff Skinner.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I thought it was the other way around? Quinn is for sure handling the D (he was a D when he played), and we presume he will handle the PP because that was what Reirden did.

I still think there could be someone on the outside joining the staff for the PP. There is a lot of available talent right now. Jay Woodcroft for one (Gulutzen runs the Edm PP but Woodcroft had a bird's eye view); Bruce Boudreau, although I doubt he is interested; Marc Savard, though the Leafs are apparently in on him; Adam Oates, no idea what he is up to this year; Todd Nelson, still coaching Hershey; and I will throw out a name: Chris Lazary, HC of the Saginaw Spirit. That team was very dynamic, especially on offense and in particular with their PP.

I am hopeful that Quinn can do wonders for Karlsson, but I want him to get EK65 back to being a point-per-game defenseman. I am less optimistic that Quinn is the answer to our PP woes.

Bring back Gonch to run the PP!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bring back Gonch to run the PP!

I think he's employed by Pittsburgh West with JR in Vancouver.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Another cheap option that could be available: Buffalo is allegedly considering buying out Jeff Skinner.

He's be a good get if this was still 2016/2017.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's be a good get if this was still 2016/2017.

Skinner had 35 goals and 82 points in 2022-2023.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I don’t get the interest in Mangiapane or Wahlstrom. They’re lateral moves at best.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Is it possible the Islanders choose not to tender Wahlstrom a contract and he becomes a UFA?

As for Mangiapane, I wonder if that's the Reilly Smith solution. Both pending UFAs. Similar cap hits. Maybe another piece or two added on either side to balance things out.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Another cheap option that could be available: Buffalo is allegedly considering buying out Jeff Skinner.

I did mention I think a month ish ago about taking on a retained Jeff Skinner.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is it possible the Islanders choose not to tender Wahlstrom a contract and he becomes a UFA?

As for Mangiapane, I wonder if that's the Reilly Smith solution. Both pending UFAs. Similar cap hits. Maybe another piece or two added on either side to balance things out.

Yeah I think Smith+ for Mangiapane, with the addition being something fairly minor, is the most likely outcome here if that were to happen. I can't imagine it would be anything more than like Smith and a 3rd/4th for Mangiapane.

At the same time, I don't know that Smith does much of anything for Calgary. They're not a playoff team anymore, so I'm not sure gambling on Smith's upside in the playoffs really means anything for them. I figure the justification is if they think Smith's value upside with a good year is higher than Mangiapane's value upside with him being what he has been for Calgary in the past 2 years.

Or maybe Calgary is just really delusional and view themselves as a playoff team next year, idk.

 

[SEALBound]

Is it possible the Islanders choose not to tender Wahlstrom a contract and he becomes a UFA?

As for Mangiapane, I wonder if that's the Reilly Smith solution. Both pending UFAs. Similar cap hits. Maybe another piece or two added on either side to balance things out.

Doubtful, his QO is $917,831. He's not waiver exempt, they have a pretty full roster, and a couple young guys pushing. He might be like our Smith where "we want to move him to open up a spot". Traditionally, I think a guy like this goes for a mid-round pick. I'd LOVE if the Isle were willing to do something like Wahlstrom for Acciari.

A good move COULD have been Ty Smith for Wahlstrom but that ship has sailed and we don't have another Ty Smith unfortunately.

I could see Calgary wanting to do some contract swapping. They need dmen. I wonder with Smith+POJ for Mangy+4th would be tolerable?

Even better, if Calgary sends out Markstrom for a haul, we send them Jarry, and they send us Mangiapane and a goalie back.

Yeah I think Smith+ for Mangiapane, with the addition being something fairly minor, is the most likely outcome here if that were to happen. I can't imagine it would be anything more than like Smith and a 3rd/4th for Mangiapane.

At the same time, I don't know that Smith does much of anything for Calgary. They're not a playoff team anymore, so I'm not sure gambling on Smith's upside in the playoffs really means anything for them. I figure the justification is if they think Smith's value upside with a good year is higher than Mangiapane's value upside with him being what he has been for Calgary in the past 2 years.

Or maybe Calgary is just really delusional and view themselves as a playoff team next year, idk.

I think the only upside with Smith is you hope he rebounds there, plays well, and you send him out for a 2nd at the TDL at 50%. Probably exactly what they would be doing with Mangiapane anyway but you're getting the extra pick early.

 

[Turin]

Would like either of those players, especially Bread.

 

[Zbynek]

I don’t get the interest in Mangiapane or Wahlstrom. They’re lateral moves at best.

Exactly. I like Mangiapane but he's not moving the needle. Especially if he's just replacing a Rakell.

If our moves this summer are Mangiapane and Wahlstrom, we are f***ing cooked.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Exactly. I like Mangiapane but he's not moving the needle. Especially if he's just replacing a Rakell.

If our moves this summer are Mangiapane and Wahlstrom, we are f***ing cooked.

I mean, this team has missed the playoffs for 2 years in a row and has a core in their late 30s. What indication has this team given that they should be making bigger moves than this?

This team is already cooked.

 

[SEALBound]

These are reasonable "help win compete now for Sid, Geno, and Letang" with the primary goal of building for the future.

We are "close" to the playoffs.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I don’t get the interest in Mangiapane or Wahlstrom. They’re lateral moves at best.

I particularly don't like the way Mangiapane plays, especially if he's supposed to be a top six option next to Sid or Geno. Way too Evan Rodrigues/Tyler Kennedy type blinders approach.

I'd like the Pens to acquire guys who can actually compliment Sid/Geno, not piss them off.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I particularly don't like the way Mangiapane plays, especially if he's supposed to be a top six option next to Sid or Geno. Way too Evan Rodrigues/Tyler Kennedy type blinders approach.

I'd like the Pens to acquire guys who can actually compliment Sid/Geno, not piss them off.

Mangiapane seems like the exact kind of player that would thrive with Crosby.

 

[SEALBound]

I particularly don't like the way Mangiapane plays, especially if he's supposed to be a top six option next to Sid or Geno. Way too Evan Rodrigues/Tyler Kennedy type blinders approach.

I'd like the Pens to acquire guys who can actually compliment Sid/Geno, not piss them off.

I would kill for a "shoot first" guy. ERod is exactly the type of player we are missing.

If we can add him and an bigger guy with potential like Wahlstrom, it's not a bad off-season. Someone on the Isle board suggested a Ty Smith swap in April so I don't think he's worth much. I almost wonder a Bemstrom swap is plausible?

 

[Gurglesons]

I particularly don't like the way Mangiapane plays, especially if he's supposed to be a top six option next to Sid or Geno. Way too Evan Rodrigues/Tyler Kennedy type blinders approach.

I'd like the Pens to acquire guys who can actually compliment Sid/Geno, not piss them off.

He's more of a Bryan Rust than a Rodrigues / TK IMO.