GilbertSeinfeld
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That should be grounds for a lawsuit.
Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"
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Ryder71
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Ugene Magic
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Still doesn't make it right to protect a 4th liner who's less valuable.
No matter how you slice it, McCann was a top six both more offensively productive and also just as defensively stout as Blueger.
When Carter came McCann on his LW was working/ workable.
It really comes down to value, and really, people were upset McCann was 14 -18 -32 in 43 games?
Those people are a putz.
Edit: To top it all off they got Hallinder back who's gone back over seas and a 7th (Emil Jarventie) an unsigned draft pick.
So basically they got nothing....
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GilbertSeinfeld
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Gurglesons
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People were upset that McCann had three goals at 5v5 through 20+ games to finish off that season.
Ugene Magic
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PensPlz
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Mike Sullivan saw my post and offered me an unavailable amount of money for it....
I'm the luckiest boy in the world.
Ryder71
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McCANN Would have a good stretch but then have 2 goals in 26 games. Again you need to look at the level of inconsistency he displayed.
You wanna be mad about something, how about signing Geno over Trocheck? Now that's something tangibly we can get worked up over. Not a guy who disappears like McCann did, just no.
Fantastic! and that was probably preceded by a slump of epic proportion.
Ugene Magic
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Uh.... He missed the first half of the season. He did 14 - 18 - 32 in 43 games to end the season.
That's a 27 - 34 - 61 pace season.
You all wonder why this team don't have nice things.
Gurglesons
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If we used Jared McCann on the top Powerplay when our roster was healthy he would’ve been worth keeping. I agree.
Ryder71
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If he missed the 1st half of the season he wasn't helping the team now was he? Beyond that he would have multiple slumps for extended periods in a pens uni. You're sighting a scenario where he performed well. And that'd be worth something if he wasn't so damn hot and cold.
Ugene Magic
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That's where I said you'd be a putz.
He's paced for it each and every seasons for the last 5 seasons of 50++.
HandshakeLine
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Man, why would a team with a powerplay as good as ours regret throwing away an asset on the power play?
Ryder71
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And he likely wouldn't have received that amount of ice time nor top PP mins to produce at that level if he stayed here. Particularly with Sid and Geno not missing any games the last couple of years.
I'm not disputing he found his game and a better level of consistency in SEA, but he was far from a key contributor here. He was no loss, let's not pass him off as such.
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HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
I'm gonna have a nice long lol when Ryder turns on Yager after he gets benched by Sully.
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I'm just glad Sully will be here for a while and knowing you're butthurt over it amuses me greatly.
AuroraBorealis
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- Tanev had a huge contract and AAV for his role and expected production. Most people were relieved to off-load it. There were injury concerns too.
- ERod was asking for 4 mil x3 or w/e at the time the Pens were making decisions. Plus he sucked since Malkin returned that season, and there were serious concerns for the upcoming year.
- Gaudreau was a sort of flash in the pan here, and it was hard to tell if he should be brought back. You could argue they could have put more faith in him and brought him back.
- McCann is the one he really f***ed up on. He still a year at 2.9M, after a really strong season relative to his role. That money instead went to Carter, and blocked the Center depth for a few years.
Someone had to go to the expansion draft.
- ERod was asking for 4 mil x3 or w/e at the time the Pens were making decisions. Plus he sucked since Malkin returned that season, and there were serious concerns for the upcoming year.
- Gaudreau was a sort of flash in the pan here, and it was hard to tell if he should be brought back. You could argue they could have put more faith in him and brought him back.
- McCann is the one he really f***ed up on. He still a year at 2.9M, after a really strong season relative to his role. That money instead went to Carter, and blocked the Center depth for a few years.
Someone had to go to the expansion draft.
Ugene Magic
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It doesn't stop there with the asset hemorrhaging.
The...
Reaves
Brassard
Petry
Matheson
Marino
Karlsson
all in fragments in and out straining the teams depth and value of that depth. The overall cost for all that backward kind of moving forward is where they are at now.
Empoleon8771
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I think fretting about the expansion draft decisions made in 2021 in 2024 is just making up excuses for shitty GMing performances.
They have no depth right now due to Hextall and Dubas doing terrible jobs at adding effective bottom-6 players in the last 2 years. Had Dubas and Hextall not done terrible jobs at that, no one would be complaining about the expansion draft.
Anyway, I think their depth is sitting better now than it did a year ago with the breakouts by O’Connor and Puustinen. Their 4th line still needs to be addressed, but a 3rd line of O’Connor-Eller-Puustinen is at least fine, possibly better if O’Connor and Puustinen improve.
They have no depth right now due to Hextall and Dubas doing terrible jobs at adding effective bottom-6 players in the last 2 years. Had Dubas and Hextall not done terrible jobs at that, no one would be complaining about the expansion draft.
Anyway, I think their depth is sitting better now than it did a year ago with the breakouts by O’Connor and Puustinen. Their 4th line still needs to be addressed, but a 3rd line of O’Connor-Eller-Puustinen is at least fine, possibly better if O’Connor and Puustinen improve.
Jag68Sid87
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Makes perfect sense. Malkin is a center and Necas is a RW.
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Two straight GMs add the wrong type of bottom six players, resulting in a bad depth that can't score. Almost like there's a connection there ...
Not to worry. I'm sure the third GM will eventually get it right.
Not to worry. I'm sure the third GM will eventually get it right.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
Yeah, the main reason why we have terrible bottom-six production is because of the players Sullivan chooses to play over some of the other options. We could/should try to spread the scoring balance out, but the coach wants two checking lines.
This is also the same coach whose big training camp idea when Guentzel was out was to place Vinnie frickin' Hinostroza at LW on the Crosby-Rust line! Instead of anybody else. Literally, anybody else. Had he tried O'Connor there earlier, we might not have had such an inconsistent season, Guentzel might have been tried with Malkin, etc. etc.
But this is what we have to maneuver around with this coach.
This is also the same coach whose big training camp idea when Guentzel was out was to place Vinnie frickin' Hinostroza at LW on the Crosby-Rust line! Instead of anybody else. Literally, anybody else. Had he tried O'Connor there earlier, we might not have had such an inconsistent season, Guentzel might have been tried with Malkin, etc. etc.
But this is what we have to maneuver around with this coach.
AuroraBorealis
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You didn't read my post. I explained why it wasn't really "asset hemorrhaging" outside of McCann maybe.
ERod was only prepared to lower his demands in like August, at which time the Pens were already set.
And I don't see what people were expecting the Pens to get back here. One goes to Seattle for nothing. Two were UFAs. ERod was never gonna be traded at the deadline during a potential contender season, at that lovely cap hit. Tanev had no value with that contract to get any kind of decent return at the deadline. They could have traded McCann at the deadline I guess, but hindsight is 20/20. They didn't know how he'd perform in the 2021 playoffs. He was having an excellent season to that point. He felt like a needed piece vs the Rangers.
If you're looking at why the depth has sucked since then, it's because of what they decided to do after that. Sullivan willingly demands worthless plugs, and undervalues offense.
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I don’t think we have the talent on the roster to spread out the lines like we have in the past plus Geno/Sid being 38/37 next season will likely mean they need the best wingers with them.
With regards to Sid’s line mates I’m pretty sure Sid gets who Sid wants 99% of the time. He probably talks in the 3rd person when telling Sully that too
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