Penguins to retire Jagr’s #68

[MacMacandBarbie]

You think fleury was as critical as Matt Murray to the 2016 and 2017 cups? Fleury has 1 cup as a starter. This isnt a point of argument. Calling him a 3 time champ is like calling Osgood a 4 time champ. Absurd.

Fleury was objectively more important in 2017.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Aren’t you a caps fan?

Leafs fan

Fleury was objectively more important in 2017.

Fleury was pulled against the Senators in 2017, and Murray played the rest of the playoffs.

 

[Mickey Marner]

My initial reaction was 'finally', but then I remembered he was still an NHL’er until 2018. Well deserved.

 

[Ugene Magic]

You think fleury was as critical as Matt Murray to the 2016 and 2017 cups? Fleury has 1 cup as a starter. This isnt a point of argument. Calling him a 3 time champ is like calling Osgood a 4 time champ. Absurd.

I'd say they both were 1-1/2 to 1-1/2.

1st. 2016: No Fleury, the Pens may not have even competed for the playoffs at all saving their bacon time and time again in the early season for Murray to even get that chance. Then a concussion sidelined him.

2nd. 2017: Fleury (starter) played all of the first two rounds vs the tougher competition in CBJ and then what most feel was the true SCF against the Capitals into the ECF's. The final two teams were Ottawa and then the Preds being two teams that probably never should have made it that far. That's the price of having 2 top teams meet too early in the playoffs.

Fleury's fingerprints are all over those cups. Roles flipped between runs.

Also, note, the Pens were a machine filled with depth. That finals with the Preds the Pens were reduced to playing 3 hard rounds getting abused the entire way while already being down Letang before the playoffs were started. They were a shot blocking machine. Murray hardly faced many shots in the 11 games he played. Yes... he only played 11 games, 1 in relief of Fleury . Fleury got yanked after pitching two solid games where he gave up 4 goals in the 3rd game after only giving up 2 in two games, 1 being a shutout vs Ottawa.

So as the starter Murray only started 10 of the 25 games.

Fleury has more right to those cups than most understand. In 2016 when he just did a quick hold of the cup probably feeling like he didn't deserve it was kind of disappointing. Not for him they don't even challenge for it in the first place. Plus, you don't know if you'll win it again, even though they did.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'd say they both were 1-1/2 to 1-1/2.

1st. 2016: No Fleury, the Pens may not have even competed for the playoffs at all saving their bacon time and time again in the early season for Murray to even get that chance. Then a concussion sidelined him.

2nd. 2017: Fleury (starter) played all of the first two rounds vs the tougher competition in CBJ and then what most feel was the true SCF against the Capitals into the ECF's. The final two teams were Ottawa and then the Preds being two teams that probably never should have made it that far. That's the price of having 2 top teams meet too early in the playoffs.

Fleury's fingerprints are all over those cups. Roles flipped between runs.

Also, note, the Pens were a machine filled with depth. That finals with the Preds the Pens were reduced to playing 3 hard rounds getting abused the entire way while already being down Letang before the playoffs were started. They were a shot blocking machine. Murray hardly faced many shots in the 11 games he played. Yes... he only played 11 games, 1 in relief of Fleury . Fleury got yanked after pitching two solid games where he gave up 4 goals in the 3rd game after only giving up 2 in two games, 1 being a shutout vs Ottawa.

So as the starter Murray only started 10 of the 25 games.

Fleury has more right to those cups than most understand. In 2016 when he just did a quick hold of the cup probably feeling like he didn't deserve it was kind of disappointing. Not for him they don't even challenge for it in the first place. Plus, you don't know if you'll win it again, even though they did.

Penguins barely beat the Senators, it took double OT in game 7. If Ottawa gets the lucky shot, then they likely win the cup.

 

[Ugene Magic]

As far as Jagr goes, I don't think it should. Lifetime Pens go up there...

So just Sid, Geno to go with Mario and Mitchel.

Penguins barely beat the Senators, it took double OT in game 7. If Ottawa gets the lucky shot, then they likely win the cup.

Like I said, Pens were beaten down the whole way through. Karlsson is the only reason they had a chance. His statement saying they didn't want to just give it to them is a testament to that.

Edit: On one leg noless.

 

[Golden_Jet]

As far as Jagr goes, I don't think it should. Lifetime Pens go up there...

So just Sid, Geno to go with Mario and Mitchel.



Like I said, Pens were beaten down the whole way through. Karlsson is the only reason they had a chance. His statement saying they didn't want to just give it to them is a testament to that.

Yep so we’re Sens, probably worse, Karlsson was playing on one leg, (2 broken bones in foot and muscle damage) , McCarther was concussed in round 1 or 2, Crosby basically lopped off the top of Methots finger, prior to playoffs starting.
Brassard shoulder, Borocop and Burrows high ankle sprain, ceci broken finger, if you want to hear about the rest of the injuries , here ya go.

The Senators have a very, very, very long list of injuries from the playoffs

Ottawa's GM: "I think (Cody Ceci) had his finger broken 17 times.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Human]

Fleury was objectively more important in 2017.

LoL, no, not even close..

 

[HanSolo]

Dumb that this is going up before Sid and Malkin.

Lol what? It's crazy that they didn't do this sooner if anything. It's two different eras of Pens hockey. Why should they wait til the end of the careers of the guys from the newer era to honor a guy from the older one? Makes absolutely zero sense and I have no vested interest.

 

[MadLuke]

kinda classless this hasn’t been done sooner

Apparently, the organization convincing Jagr to travel for the ceremony during hockey season was a bit of a challenge.

 

[Bowski]

When he came back from the KHL, it was rumoured/reported he was signing with the Pens. Then he signed with the Flyers.

Origin was the "dying alive" quote, and then telling Craig Patrick that he wanted out no matter what in the 2011 offseason (according to CP) after being vilified as a lazy selfish floater who went on the ice too early from the locker room in the playoffs, causing a too many men penalty.
Then also the whole gambling media smear campaign to justify getting rid of him.

On his 2011 return, he was mostly insulted that Ray Shero prioritized signing Tyler Kennedy first, and Shero, in general, seemed disinterested.

Anyway, glad the fences seem to have been mended. From the early glory days, then to Jaromir winning scoring titles and playoff series to temporarily plug up the relocation/bankruptcy toilet that the late Baldwin-era Penguins were being flushed into, definitely well deserved.

 

[Extra Texture]

You think fleury was as critical as Matt Murray to the 2016 and 2017 cups? Fleury has 1 cup as a starter. This isnt a point of argument. Calling him a 3 time champ is like calling Osgood a 4 time champ. Absurd.

So now you're acknowledging that he played a role, as opposed to just ignoring any part players play in the 100+ games before the finals. As it stands, everyone who contributes gets their name on there. Including the guy who backstopped the champions to 2/4 rounds in 2017. You are on your own with whatever "old man yells at cloud" criteria you're on about.

Maybe you can write the HHOF, and demand they cross out the names "Osgood" and "Fleury" a few times, and let us know what they say.

 

[JoVel]

Just when you think you've seen it all on HF someone goes and argues Kunitz > Jagr as a Penguin.