Proposal: Penguins-Rangers

[Empoleon8771]

Pens trade Pouliot and Sheary/Wilson
Rangers trade Miller

The Rangers have a ridiculous number of young top-9 wingers now that they have signed Vesey and they are lacking in puck moving defensemen. The Pens don't have many top-6 potential LWers in their system and Pouliot isn't really needed as long as Schultz is here for the next ~2 years (he's a RFA after this year, so I doubt he's going anywhere). Sheary or Wilson is added to bridge the value somewhat. Is this a workable deal?

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[LeetchisGod]

The Rangers need right handed defensemen. I see Nash or Zuccarello being traded to obtain one not Miller. They are set on the left with McD and Skjei going forward. I also doubt that there will be any major trades between these franchises anytime soon.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Would want a better defensemen in return than Pouliot if we trade Miller.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Pouliot isn't going to have any value on this site until he's a line-up regular, and Miller's one of the last wingers NYR would deal.

 

[RangerGuru]

Pass from NYR. We need RHD and shouldn't be dealing JT

 

[rockinghockey]

Good right shooting dmen are a premium going to cost more than Miller.

 

[Remington 700]

Miller, Trocheck, Saad and John Gibson. Way to pass up 4 Pittsburgh kids for Joe freakin Moreow, Shero.

 

[wej20]

Pouliot's not established enough for the Rangers to trade Miller for him.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Miller, Trocheck, Saad and John Gibson. Way to pass up 4 Pittsburgh kids for Joe freakin Moreow, Shero.

Well we all know that PMDs have the most trade value so it'll all work out in the end.

*trades Morrow for a veteran rental a few months later*

****ing Shero...

Anyway, Pouliot won't have a trade value that matches his skill level until he's a regular in the NHL and I can't imagine the Rangers dealing Miller within the division.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Miller stays in NY for at least the duration of this bridge contract.

 

[eco's bones]

I've been waiting for Pouliot to step up and take a regular spot in the lineup for the past couple years and the fact that he hasn't makes me wonder a lot about why not? I suspect it comes down to one or two factors--size/strength--reliability to defend well in his own end.

It's the same two concerns by the way I have with the Hurricanes Ryan Murphy.

Would I trade Miller straight up for either of them? Nope. I like what Conor Sheary did for the Pens last year but the problem with him is I don't know if he could duplicate that for another team. It seems to me he has a niche/role in Pittsburgh that he fits very well into. In New York he might get lost in the shuffle.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I've been waiting for Pouliot to step up and take a regular spot in the lineup for the past couple years and the fact that he hasn't makes me wonder a lot about why not? I suspect it comes down to one or two factors--size/strength--reliability to defend well in his own end.

It's not size and strength, he's actually pretty big and strong. He's like 6' and 210 lbs iirc. He's also not bad defensively, at least not like MA Bergeron defensively. His issues in the defensive zone come from a lack of urgency. When he decides he wants to play engaged defensively (2014 world juniors for example), he's good in the defensive zone and plays with some snarl.

I think that lack of urgency and his general attitude combined with the Pens abundance of left defensemen is why he's not a NHL regular yet. He's better than Cole and Schultz, but Cole brings a PKing and defensive element to his game and Schultz is right handed.

 

[PensBeerGeek]

Miller, Trocheck, Saad and John Gibson. Way to pass up 4 Pittsburgh kids for Joe freakin Moreow, Shero.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=68892

CSS NA skater rankings:
Morrow - #12
Saad - #19
Miller - #23
Trocheck - #41
Gibson - #1 goalie

Not perfect given Johnny Gaudreau is #193 but at least I can understand the reasoning.

 

[Maukkis]

This deal isn't happening. The expansion almost completely ruins any hopes of trading Pouliot now - most teams have their trio of defensemen ready, which really wipes off all benefits you could get by trading Pouliot. If he breaks through - you're going to have a hard time figuring out if he stepped up enough to take someone else's protection spot. If he doesn't, you're looking at a defenseman in his draft +5 season who still hasn't secured a spot in the NHL. There's not much to gain there. (unless there's a team in the NHL who specifically has a need, space and a protection slot for him, in which case... go for it.)

A team with a plethora of good forwards could realistically bite, knowing that their talent at forward will be very enticing to Vegas, but the price won't be anywhere near an asset like Miller. Hate it or not, Pouliot is not an easy asset to sell right now, and if it was to happen, the price won't be what Pens fans would want it to be. Next offseason, the situation will be much different, and almost undoubtedly better, provided that Pouliot actually takes a couple of steps forward during the season.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

I proposed this exact trade about a month ago

 

[eviohh26*]

Vancouver says yes. You may have Miller.

 

[Remington 700]

Vancouver says yes. You may have Miller.

That's what's wrong with the NHL. Instead of the league office approving trades we should be getting Vancouvers permission on all trades.

 

[eviohh26*]

That's what's wrong with the NHL. Instead of the league office approving trades we should be getting Vancouvers permission on all trades.

I was talking about Ryan Miller you Dweeb .

 

[Rufus]

Miller, Trocheck, Saad and John Gibson. Way to pass up 4 Pittsburgh kids for Joe freakin Moreow, Shero.

Only Miller was drafted ahead of Morrow. While Saad, Trocheck, and Gibson are all very good players now, at the time they weren't highly touted. Shero wasn't going to just draft a hometown guy just because he is a hometown guy

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Only Miller was drafted ahead of Morrow. While Saad, Trocheck, and Gibson are all very good players now, at the time they weren't highly touted. Shero wasn't going to just draft a hometown guy just because he is a hometown guy

Saad and Gibson would not have been seen as (big) reaches at #23. Gibson was the top-ranked goalie and Saad was expected to go in the middle of the first round until his stock randomly (and quite clearly, wrongly) started falling in the months leading up to the draft. Up until around April the assumption was that Saad would have been off the board before the Pens picked.

Trochek would have definitely been a reach at 23, he had a second round grade from start to finish...still could/should have taken him at #54 instead of yet another defenseman that wound up being used as a trade chip.

 

[vipernsx]

Emotionally, I can't see any deal with the Pens that doesn't involve Hagelin.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Trochek would have definitely been a reach at 23, he had a second round grade from start to finish...still could/should have taken him at #54 instead of yet another defenseman that wound up being used as a trade chip.

Yeah, the Harrington pick was the one that confused me more than the Morrow pick. I understood Shero's PMD for wingers trade model, but Harrington really never fit that model. He was a decent puck mover, but he wasn't an OFD like Goligoski or Whitney and would never bring back the kind of returns that they brought back. He wasn't really that much of a need either, seeing how (at the time) the Pens had Despres, Samuelsson, Strait, Bortuzzo and Sneep as worthwhile DFD prospects. At least in Morrow's case, he would have been pretty unique to their system.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Of all the reasons why the drafting under Shero can be criticized, not picking hometown boys is the worst. That's a stupid way of prioritizing draft picks.

 

[Smitty426]

I think Shero would take him in Jersey. We are still looking for young D. Other than Hall anything you see pitt fans that might be worth it? Hold the venom you have for Shero!