Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich: Part VI

[FireGerardGallant]

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I too think it’s a bit odd that there’s a desire to sign Strome long term.

I have a significant amount of respect for trade acquisitions or free agents that exceed expectations in NY, because there has only been like 5 in the past decade. Strome is one of them, but there’s no denying the dude still does a ton of things wrong on basically a shift-by-shift basis.

He’s playing with a superstar that’s playing the best hockey of his career. If you can get a first for him you take it and run. Resigning him would be idiotic.

 

[True Blue]

He’s playing with a superstar that’s playing the best hockey of his career. If you can get a first for him you take it and run. Resigning him would be idiotic.

He was producing last year. He produced this year before being on a line with Panarin. And seems to have gelled and has chemistry with Panarin

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

Buch is either invisible or visible. Frustrating at points but slowly getting up to speed. Now that everyone is talking about Strome and his linemates...

Strome has grown on me. He does take a stupid penalty here and there but he should be resigned if we can't figure out our C situation going forward.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

He was producing last year. He produced this year before being on a line with Panarin. And seems to have gelled and has chemistry with Panarin

I think Strome is a 40 point player when it’s all said and done. Nothing wrong with that - he has played good hockey here. Relative to expectations he has played outstanding hockey I would even say. But if there is an opportunity to get a 1st round pick for you him you’ve got to do it.

The word chemistry is thrown around way too often here. You can see true chemistry between players when it’s actually there - like Nylander, Straka and Jagr. Strome is serving as a fine complementary piece to a guy that is playing unstoppable hockey. Panarin would be producing as much or even more if he was with many other players.

 

[True Blue]

I think Strome is a 40 point player when it’s all said and done. Nothing wrong with that - he has played good hockey here. Relative to expectations he has played outstanding hockey I would even say. But if there is an opportunity to get a 1st round pick for you him you’ve got to do it.

No one is saying that Strome is a superstar. But could he be a 20 goal, 50 point player? Why not? Or 15 goal 45 point player? Even more why not? And frankly, I am not saying that if a first round pick is offered for him, that you do not take it. My point is that it is not a given that he will be moved. And one can make a case to keep him.

The word chemistry is thrown around way too often here. You can see true chemistry between players when it’s actually there - like Nylander, Straka and Jagr. Strome is serving as a fine complementary piece to a guy that is playing unstoppable hockey. Panarin would be producing as much or even more if he was with many other players.

And this is something that I find is thrown around here way too often. The assumption that if you plug in anyone on a line with an elite player, that they will instantly produce. That is a false notion, IMO. Gretzky did not make everyone great who played on a line with him. Neither does Panarin.

If Strome's biggest ability is being able to find Panarin on the ice, keep his mouth shut and provide the coaching staff with the ability to slide from center to wing, that is no small thing.

 

[McRanger]

He was producing last year. He produced this year before being on a line with Panarin. And seems to have gelled and has chemistry with Panarin

Even if you ignore his first 18 games (and last few seasons) with Edmonton and assume he will be a ridiculous shooter away from Panarin, Strome was a ~40 point player for us last year and was putting up similar numbers this year before teaming Panarin.

All of which is fine (or even great, depending on expectations) but its like half of what he is next to Panarin right now and a decent stretch away from the ~60 point player we might be paying for.

 

[Rempe73]

This could be a small thing, but Panarin is someone to relate to. Yes, we had Namestnikov, but he's much more of an American player than a Russian player. Panarin is someone that can help him, in his native language, with the NHL game.

Yes, the work ethic and physicality are much higher that in years past, but don't forget he's still a young player, just not for this team. Have to think he can go to Panarin and they can talk things through and little things that he can do and see to make him better.

Excuse me, why would Panarin need to take an American under his wing?

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

No one is saying that Strome is a superstar. But could he be a 20 goal, 50 point player? Why not? Or 15 goal 45 point player? Even more why not? And frankly, I am not saying that if a first round pick is offered for him, that you do not take it. My point is that it is not a given that he will be moved. And one can make a case to keep him.

And this is something that I find is thrown around here way too often. The assumption that if you plug in anyone on a line with an elite player, that they will instantly produce. That is a false notion, IMO. Gretzky did not make everyone great who played on a line with him. Neither does Panarin.

If Strome's biggest ability is being able to find Panarin on the ice, keep his mouth shut and provide the coaching staff with the ability to slide from center to wing, that is no small thing.

Except the point of my original post was that I’m perplexed people would be in favor of resigning Strome over trading him for a potential first round pick. I haven’t once denied he can be a decent player - in fact I said it before you did.

Sure, if nobody is biting on him at the deadline and we can lock him up for a few years at 3.5-4 mil then you do it. Very few people would object to that. But I’d bet the Rangers can indeed get some nice value back, and Strome isn’t going to accept that type of payment if he keeps this production up. And like Hayes, I hope we’re not the team that falls victim of this - you can see it coming a mile away.

 

[True Blue]

Even if you ignore his first 18 games (and last few seasons) with Edmonton and assume he will be a ridiculous shooter away from Panarin, Strome was a ~40 point player for us last year and was putting up similar numbers this year before teaming Panarin.

All of which is fine (or even great, depending on expectations) but its like half of what he is next to Panarin right now and a decent stretch away from the ~60 point player we might be paying for.

I do not actually believe that in and of itself, he is a 60 point player. But 50? Why not? Or even discount it further and call it 15 goals, 30 assists? Why not?

I do not think that the pro-Strome crowd is arguing that he is a 50-70 point player that he is currently trending towards. At least I am not. Again, my point is that sure, I would take a first round pick and assets. I just do not believe that it is a given that he is moved.

 

[True Blue]

Sure, if nobody is biting on him at the deadline and we can lock him up for a few years at 3.5-4 mil then you do it. Very few people would object to that. But I’d bet the Rangers can indeed get some nice value back, and Strome isn’t going to accept that type of payment if he keeps this production up. And like Hayes, I hope we’re not the team that falls victim of this - you can see it coming a mile away.

Maybe? It could also be that he has found his niche as a nice complimentary player who can be a facilitator to the upper echelon players.

 

[rangerfan_79]

I just watched the presser and I love DQ's new nickname for Buch..."Captain Happy"

Fitting!

 

[Blueblood2]

Buch is either invisible or visible. Frustrating at points but slowly getting up to speed. Now that everyone is talking about Strome and his linemates...

Strome has grown on me. He does take a stupid penalty here and there but he should be resigned if we can't figure out our C situation going forward.

In my opinion Buch is a low energy player with excellent offensive skills who is a serious liability defensively. We have plenty of young skill players here and also Kravtsov still to come. Buch does have value and I would look to trade him to get some player(s) who have some grit and are difficult to play against. I dont hate him but always seem to hope for more yet realize it is unlikely he will improve much from where he is currently.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

In my opinion Buch is a low energy player with excellent offensive skills who is a serious liability defensively. We have plenty of young skill players here and also Kravtsov still to come. Buch does have value and I would look to trade him to get some player(s) who have some grit and are difficult to play against. I dont hate him but always seem to hope for more yet realize it is unlikely he will improve much from where he is currently.

What kind of skill does that player have? Grit for the sake of grit is counterproductive.

 

[JimmyG89]

19 points in 26 games and articles about him being moved are surfacing, and for no reason. He's finally producing. The last few games were rough for him, but he scored against Boston. A little rough patch, but not the normal ones he had before the end of last year.

He's gonna produce, but they should probably move him back to PP1. No reason for all those right shots on that unit. Him or Kakko should go there. Move Strome off that unit and let him be the bumper on PP2.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

19 points in 26 games and articles about him being moved are surfacing, and for no reason. He's finally producing. The last few games were rough for him, but he scored against Boston. A little rough patch, but not the normal ones he had before the end of last year.

He's gonna produce, but they should probably move him back to PP1. No reason for all those right shots on that unit. Him or Kakko should go there. Move Strome off that unit and let him be the bumper on PP2.

God - remember when we were complaining that Stepan was our only right handed shot on either unit? Now we have too many. We actually don't - we're just putting all of them in one basket which is stupid.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Brooks complaining he was invisible in 1 game to justify trade talks just proves what an absolute senile f***wit he is. My God. Can they fire him already?

 

[kovazub94]

In my opinion Buch is a low energy player with excellent offensive skills who is a serious liability defensively. We have plenty of young skill players here and also Kravtsov still to come. Buch does have value and I would look to trade him to get some player(s) who have some grit and are difficult to play against. I dont hate him but always seem to hope for more yet realize it is unlikely he will improve much from where he is currently.

I honestly don’t know how you watch a player if this season you call Buchnevich a “low energy“ player. Is it based on only one game against Vegas where the whole team was underwhelming but you decided to pick on one its better players this season? If you watched Buchnevich specifically for a stretch of games you would notice someone who’s been actually very good (not just simply adequate) on forecheck as well as backcheck this season, a trend that actually started around February last season. This ON TOP of being around 70pp 82 games since then.

 

[JimmyG89]

God - remember when we were complaining that Stepan was our only right handed shot on either unit? Now we have too many. We actually don't - we're just putting all of them in one basket which is stupid.

The only RH forwards we had were Stepan and Fast. It was an insanely left handed team. Won't have to worry about that happening on the powerplay with at least having Panarin, Trouba, and hopefully Fox for a long while.

 

[motopanekeku]

I do not actually believe that in and of itself, he is a 60 point player. But 50? Why not? Or even discount it further and call it 15 goals, 30 assists? Why not?

I do not think that the pro-Strome crowd is arguing that he is a 50-70 point player that he is currently trending towards. At least I am not. Again, my point is that sure, I would take a first round pick and assets. I just do not believe that it is a given that he is moved.

As a pro-Strome guy I'm actually hoping he falls somewhere between his 60-70 pt ceiling and being a 35 pt 3rd liner. I'd love him long term as a scoring 3c that's able to slot top 6 center or wing. But I don't want him to price himself out lol.

 

[True Blue]

As a pro-Strome guy I'm actually hoping he falls somewhere between his 60-70 pt ceiling and being a 35 pt 3rd liner. I'd love him long term as a scoring 3c that's able to slot top 6 center or wing. But I don't want him to price himself out lol.

I think, and only think, that there is a certain comfort level that a player can have with a franchise and a coaching staff. Strome finally has comfort and confidence of a team and a coaching staff. How much is that worth? I have no idea. But he is another player that took a long time to find his niche. Would he be willing to immediately throw it away for some more money? I have no idea. But like I said, if he can be had at something like $4x4, I think it is smart business.

The truth is always in the middle and I am with you n what he is probably. And what that is certainly has value.

Do I think he will be traded? Probably? But like with Kreider, I think that there is a price point at which Gorton and JD will keep him. Unless the return on a deal is just too good to pass up.

 

[motopanekeku]

I think, and only think, that there is a certain comfort level that a player can have with a franchise and a coaching staff. Strome finally has comfort and confidence of a team and a coaching staff. How much is that worth? I have no idea. But he is another player that took a long time to find his niche. Would he be willing to immediately throw it away for some more money? I have no idea. But like I said, if he can be had at something like $4x4, I think it is smart business.

The truth is always in the middle and I am with you n what he is probably. And what that is certainly has value.

Do I think he will be traded? Probably? But like with Kreider, I think that there is a price point at which Gorton and JD will keep him. Unless the return on a deal is just too good to pass up.

I know if I was in Strome's position I would absolutely leverage my current success into my next contract no matter the team. I see Strome and Buch in pretty much the same light: potentially great complimentary pieces that should be locked up at the right price. Both players are only now showing who they are/ can be.

 

[offdacrossbar]

whos giving us 1st from strome ?

where did that come from ?

 

[CasusBelli]

whos giving us 1st from strome ?

where did that come from ?

It’s actually a first, McKinnon and Makar for Strome, Staal and Smith.

 

[offdacrossbar]

It’s actually a first, McKinnon and Makar for Strome, Staal and Smith.

they need to add