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Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich: Part VI

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ThirdEye said:
He makes you scratch your head then follows it up with a crazy nice play like the pass to Kreider 2 min later. Have to take the good with the bad I guess.

At least the bad with him is not for a lack of trying... He's just a clumsy dude still trying to figure things out
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LOL, I think that's the perfect way to describe him, clumsy. It sucks because he has the talent to be even better than what he is but he still gets pushed around, still makes really awkward decisions with the puck at times especially in the D-Zone. And I will say he's certainly more willing to engage in puck battles and puck retrieval and does backcheck hard. Perhaps the expectations are still inflated from hearing about him as a prospect. He's been a good player but still hoping for more.
 
While there are things eh can work on he is on pace for a 63 point pace.

Id'd rather have Buchnevich/Deangelo than Kreider/Lundkvist. Nobody trades a first line RW instead of a declining second line player. Also Deangelo is proven. Lundkvist is a unknown. He could be as good as Deangelo but nobody is trading Deangelo to find out?
 
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ThirdEye said:
He makes you scratch your head then follows it up with a crazy nice play like the pass to Kreider 2 min later. Have to take the good with the bad I guess.

At least the bad with him is not for a lack of trying... He's just a clumsy dude still trying to figure things out
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Might be the most perfect description of Buch ever.

He doesn't really move at a high level, in terms of hands or feet, but he's always got plays in mind and when they connect, they really connect.
 
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rangersfansince08 said:
While there are things eh can work on he is on pace for a 63 point pace.

Id'd rather have Buchnevich/Deangelo than Kreider/Lundkvist. Nobody trades a first line RW instead of a declining second line player. Also Deangelo is proven. Lundkvist is a unknown. He could be as good as Deangelo but nobody is trading Deangelo to find out?
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A). Aside for a slow start, show me the evidence that Kreider is declining besides wishful thinking?
B) Like or not, Kreider IS a legit top line wing. As of today, Buchnevich is not.
C) I doubt DeAngelo gets moved, but if he does it is because management has decided that other young defenseman are doing very well at the NHL level and can move him to possibly shore up another weakness. But again, I doubt he gets moved.
 
romba said:
I somewhat understand, but to put things in perspective if CK put up 10 points in his first 13 games when he was 24 years old would we be scratching our heads or jumping for joy that he's figuring things out?
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Well I guess we have to wait and see. If he continues producing at this pace, maybe everyone will accept that he's just one of those guys that will put up points "quietly" and be satisfied with that. If he finishes with 45 points over the full year, then the narrative will remain the same, that he's a guy that just can't put it together.

The same would be said for Krieder, I think. There'd be optimism that he's turning the corner, but if he went on a prolonged scoring slump like he is wont to do and ended up at 45-50 points, most people would be back to "not living up to his talent" or whatever.

I don't know. Buchnevich is perplexing, to me. 7 primary points in 13 games is very good, yet like I said before, it just doesn't seem like he takes over the way it seems like he could. Maybe my perception sucks, though. IDK. :laugh:
 
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Sort of reflects what people have been saying. Up and down.

I take this any day of the week though. Defense from wings isn't the most important thing in the world. He's been world class at driving goals and scoring chances. That's his job.
 
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romba said:
I somewhat understand, but to put things in perspective if CK put up 10 points in his first 13 games when he was 24 years old would we be scratching our heads or jumping for joy that he's figuring things out?
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If we're being nitpicky, Kreider actually had 10 points in 13 games in 2014-2015, his age-23 season
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I blame the perceived problem with the Kreider's and the Buch's of the hockey world on the fans (a problem with fans across all sports in general). There's a big inability with sports fans to disregard the 'what is' with the 'what ought to be'. Maybe it's the way we're hard wired, but we just can't get over the fact that a player doesn't perform the way we've convinced ourselves they should.

People should've resigned themselves to the fact that Chris Kreider is a 20-25G/20-25A .55PPG player a long time ago. When he's 30 years old and puts up 30G/30A on a new team, it shouldn't surprise anyone IMO.

Buch is a different case. Has a lot more time to prove he's a player who can put up 30/30. But, like Kreider, I see it as a strong possibility that it's elsewhere. That's just sports. Shit happens.
 
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JohnC said:
If we're being nitpicky, Kreider actually had 10 points in 13 games in 2014-2015, his age-23 season
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I blame the perceived problem with the Kreider's and the Buch's of the hockey world on the fans (a problem with fans across all sports in general). There's a big inability with sports fans to disregard the 'what is' with the 'what ought to be'. Maybe it's the way we're hard wired, but we just can't get over the fact that a player doesn't perform the way we've convinced ourselves they should.

People should've resigned themselves to the fact that Chris Kreider is a 20-25G/20-25A .55PPG player a long time ago. When he's 30 years old and puts up 30G/30A on a new team, it shouldn't surprise anyone IMO.

Buch is a different case. Has a lot more time to prove he's a player who can put up 30/30. But, like Kreider, I see it as a strong possibility that it's elsewhere. That's just sports. **** happens.
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lol I knew my words would come back to bite me. But the point remains. I'm sure HFNYR was thrilled at the time that CK's output was looking up, and he was making strides. Torts was holding him back, AV was allowing him to blossom etc. etc.

gl finding the threads to disprove me on that lol
 
His game hit a notch at the end of last season and it's kicked over to this one. With a couple bad games sprinkled in, but he's been fantastic.

We're getting close to a 40 game stretch where he's been quite productive.

He looks more comfortable too, not questioning his decisions.

Establishing himself as a true top 6 player this season is something this team needs from him.
 
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aufheben said:
My favorite part about his stat line is only 2 of his 13 points are goals, so it's not like he's shooting at 39% or something dumb. Can you imagine how different things start to look if the guy posts 1W stats this year?
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By all accounts Buchnevich bought into what was asked of him in Quinn’s system around February. From then to now it’s just over half a season of body work in which Buchnevich is on about 65p over 82 games pace.
 
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kovazub94 said:
By all accounts Buchnevich bought into what was asked of him in Quinn’s system around February. From then to now it’s just over half a season of body work in which Buchnevich is on about 65p over 82 games pace.
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On top of this, it's a lot of primary assists too, so likely not to be a passenger getting cheap assists. You can remember a lot of the nice passes he has made.

Wish he would shoot a little more, but the playmaking has been great so it's hard to complain.
 
JimmyG89 said:
On top of this, it's a lot of primary assists too, so likely not to be a passenger getting cheap assists. You can remember a lot of the nice passes he has made.

Wish he would shoot a little more, but the playmaking has been great so it's hard to complain.
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Definitely! I think he’s a bit down on his shot lately because he’s been off target on quite a few of them. But he shouldn’t be. If you recall he’s had a bunch of nice goals at the end of last season so I’m sure his aim will return sooner rather than later.
 
Raspewtin said:
Might be the most perfect description of Buch ever.

He doesn't really move at a high level, in terms of hands or feet, but he's always got plays in mind and when they connect, they really connect.
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He's like Bambi. With skill.
 
something interesting about Buch's good season thus far is that you can argue he's been unlucky on multiple fronts.

He has the second lowest IPP% on the team for forwards. IPP% is the percentage of goals that you have a point for while on the ice. Buch is at 45%, which is lower than every regular except for Brett Howden. That 45% places him in the bottom 25% percentile of all forwards that have played at least 100 minutes.

He has a 6.25% ES shooting percentage which is decidedly lower than his career average of 11.21%

He leads the team in both expected goals for/60 and on-ice high danger chances for/60. It's pretty incredible that he's just below a PPG player despite the fact that he's creating a ton of offense that his linemates aren't capitalizing on.

Statistically speaking he's been one of the best offensive drivers in the NHL to this point. He should absolutely have more points than he does.
 
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Raspewtin said:
something interesting about Buch's good season thus far is that you can argue he's been unlucky on multiple fronts.

He has the second lowest IPP% on the team for forwards. IPP% is the percentage of goals that you have a point for while on the ice. Buch is at 45%, which is lower than every regular except for Brett Howden. That 45% places him in the bottom 25% percentile of all forwards that have played at least 100 minutes.

He has a 6.25% ES shooting percentage which is decidedly lower than his career average of 11.21%

He leads the team in both expected goals for/60 and on-ice high danger chances for/60. It's pretty incredible that he's just below a PPG player despite the fact that he's creating a ton of offense that his linemates aren't capitalizing on.

Statistically speaking he's been one of the best offensive drivers in the NHL to this point. He should absolutely have more points than he does.
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Yup. Matches eye test perfectly!
 
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