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Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich: Part VI

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Gardner McKay said:
It does but I'm really not concerned. To me, any thing longer is more risk than I feel comfortable with.



At what dollar amount though? I can't imagine buying out UFA years will bring down the cap hit on that contract...
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I don't think letting Buchnevich become a UFA during a period where theoretically the Rangers should be competing, or atleast a solid playoff team is the smartest idea. Unless he completely sucks, he wouldn't be that hard to move. Take the risk and give him 5+ years at 4.5-5M.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I'd be fine with 5/20. I would think Buch would want more when you start buying out those UFA years (that last year is a UFA year, no?)
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I am sure he would, but that is when you are getting back to eco's point about being paid for who you are. He is not a 60 point producer. Sure he could want more, but is he is also willing to take a chance that his play regresses and then cannot get such a deal? $20m in the bank is a pretty good security blanket.
 
True Blue said:
I am sure he would, but that is when you are getting back to eco's point about being paid for who you are. He is not a 60 point producer. Sure he could want more, but is he is also willing to take a chance that his play regresses and then cannot get such a deal? $20m in the bank is a pretty good security blanket.
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I mean, yeah I would be comfortable signing him to more than 4 years if the cap hit is under $4.5 million. I believe that for 5 years or more he would want 5 per. If Gorton can get it done though, great.
 
True Blue said:
You can't sign him to an 8 year deal for $6m per, when this is the first time that he scored 20 goals. If he regresses, that is an albatross of a contract.
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8/42 is not $6M AAV

It's $5.25M, which is more than reasonable. It would be ~6.3 CH% on an $83.5M cap.
 
Gorton has yet to give out anything more than 6 years. He will not give Buch 7 or 8.

5x5 or 6x5 is more likley
 
He should sign 2 year bridge, money doesn't matter (3M/year would be ok). It will motivate him to keep progressing, and he's only 26, when the time to sign a long contract will come. If he's a 30 goal scorer (or even more) to that time, that next contract will be pretty sweet for him.
 
SA16 said:
People said the same thing about Hayes. Then the Rangers stopped playing him 16-17 mins/game with minimal PP time and what do you know suddenly he's a borderline 60 point player.

Are you aware that of the 271 players who have played 15.5 mins/game total with at least 500 total mins since last year (Buch at 15.01) Buchnevich has the 8th most total points behind only Konecny,Labanc,Vanek,Fiala,C. Smith,Kerfoot, and DeBrusk? Of those only Kerfoot/Labanc/Vanek average less ice time than him.
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I am aware, but I am more aware of what we have seen from him within the seasons he played for this team and more aware of what his season ending totals actually reflect
 
Kshahdoo said:
He should sign 2 year bridge, money doesn't matter (3M/year would be ok). It will motivate him to keep progressing, and he's only 26, when the time to sign a long contract will come. If he's a 30 goal scorer (or even more) to that time, that next contract will be pretty sweet for him.
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That would be the best for Pavel, not the best for NYR because he’ll most definitely become more expensive longterm if he signs a bridge now.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
You don’t pay for what he’s done, you pay for what he’s going to do. His rate stats are really good and they tell us he’s almost definitely a 50+ point player in a bigger role, that you pay 5.25 for long term.
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Huh? in what world?

You don't pay for what you think someone will do. I'm not paying someone 5.5M because i think they will hit 50+ points unless he's cant miss prospect/player, and buch is definitely not that.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Huh? in what world?

You don't pay for what you think someone will do. I'm not paying someone 5.5M because i think they will hit 50+ points unless he's cant miss prospect/player, and buch is definitely not that.
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If you dont take risks how are you supposed to get contracts that become steals, which will be important when we’re competitive again
 
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The flip side of strictly not paying for what you think someone will do is overpaying people for what they've done in the past instead of what they'll likely do in the future.

Drury, Gomez, Redden, Smith, Staal (this one hurts to say but it's true, they knew where things were going after the eye injury and concussion).

Those are just some off the top of my head for the Rangers.

Look at the wild and paying for Suter and Parise.

Like with most things, it's striking the right balance. If, as an organization, you are quite confident that Buchnevich will be turning into a consistent 50-60 pt player, then paying him 5.25Mil per year for 6 years is a good deal. You overpay slightly in the beginning to save massively long term.
 
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pld459666 said:
I am aware, but I am more aware of what we have seen from him within the seasons he played for this team and more aware of what his season ending totals actually reflect
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That's a pretty obscure thing to happen to be aware of without having just looked it up beforehand. His end of season totals are just a function of his minutes. I've posted this many times in the last year (about Nash) but over the last 10 years or so there has been one player in the league (from what I remember) to score 70 points playing 16-17 mins/less (can't remember exact numbers) and it was Krejci in some random monster year.
 
Rangers743 said:
If you dont take risks how are you supposed to get contracts that become steals, which will be important when we’re competitive again
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So is he not going to try as hard if we don't take the risk and give him more than he is currently worth? I don't follow what you are saying.
 
If Gorton can get him to stay in the 4's as the hit, I'd be more then willing/happy with a 5 or 6 year contract. I think it would be a good risk. Just no extra clauses FFS.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
So is he not going to try as hard if we don't take the risk and give him more than he is currently worth? I don't follow what you are saying.
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Idk why your bring up effort, but I’m saying its worth the risk of having him signed on a really good contract when we are competitive again.
 
SA16 said:
That's a pretty obscure thing to happen to be aware of without having just looked it up beforehand. His end of season totals are just a function of his minutes. I've posted this many times in the last year (about Nash) but over the last 10 years or so there has been one player in the league (from what I remember) to score 70 points playing 16-17 mins/less (can't remember exact numbers) and it was Krejci in some random monster year.
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His end of season totals are a direct reflection of his inconsistency in season.

His minutes are a direct reflection of that inconsistency
 
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