Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[Guy Larose]

This is the best reply I had. Yeah, keep him at least for the next year and they decide what they do with him. Maybe because he's getting out of injury is a valid excuse. There are two clans about him. I feel more secured when Habs gets a player who never had a "problem".

Next year should be interesting since it's also a contract year.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

That's one tall center! He'll hit the scoreboard.

And get scored vs his team most of his shifts. He can score 34 and being -17 at the end of season.

Next year should be interesting since it's also a contract year.

The typical "last year contract" when the player gives the best he can do. I saw so many underperforming players having a good "last year contract" and become a deception just after signed. No need to bring examples, there are too many.

 

[Pat Riot]

My avatar is last minute decision, lol. There are 1 or 2 tv host show missing. I think the large version have Degeneres at the right. I just didn't care at the moment I piked the avatar. I like Jimmy Fallon and I liked the mix of colours.

I guess they can be funny at times. Personally I just cant listen to theses wokes hollywood virtue signaling morons. To each his own. On Laine I agree with you hes not a defensive wizard and never will be. Put Laine and a playmaker Demidov on the second line with a better center, and see how it goes. The extra year on Laine contract is good for us. We have time to evaluate him properly and plan the next move

 

[WeThreeKings]

What player has worked well with Newhook and Dach this season? Several have been tried.

They don't work well together, but the other 3 lines are working, so that's pretty much what you get.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I guess they can be funny at times. Personally I just cant listen to theses wokes hollywood virtue signaling morons. To each his own. On Laine I agree with you hes not a defensive wizard and never will be. Put Laine and a playmaker Demidov on the second line with a better center, and see how it goes. The extra year on Laine contract is good for us. We have time to evaluate him properly and plan the next move

I'm not that crazy too with woke Hollywood either. I can decide what is right or wrong without feeling I must agree with those morality new preachers. I think I will change that avatar. There is a thin yellow line and the rest is sky blue like the Ukrainian flag.

Lets' hope Habs will get good center next summer cuz we are stucked with Dach who still doesn't deliver on regular basis and nobody else can do on 2nd until maybe Hage in 2 years.

 

[ReHabs]

I understand what you mean. But my point is, that even if your posession numbers are good, but you don't have production are you still playing well?

Posession numbers are always prediction. Score sheet is real. You have to make goals to win games.

I really hope both players finds their game.

Pseudo-stats are either for fooling oneself or trying to fool someone else. The Habs have played 24 games since Dec 28th (strange date to choose, but I digress). In that span Dach has 13pts in 23gp... 0.57ppg is a 46pt season pace. Not remotely interesting or good for a player with his TOI. Laine has 13pts in 20gp, which is a 53pt season pace, also not interesting or good.

Here's a fun stat: over that period Laine's EV On-Ice GF% is 52.3 to Dach's 43.7. Can someone tell me which one's better.

This is the best reply I had. Yeah, keep him at least for the next year and they decide what they do with him. Maybe because he's getting out of injury is a valid excuse. There are two clans about him. I feel more secured when Habs gets a player who never had a "problem".

For sure getting an actually good player with no baggage is preferable -- who could possibly disagree? -- but they cost assets to acquire and Hughes has already whiffed big time on Dach and Newhook. At least we got paid to take on Laine and his cap hit.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Dach was holding Laine back. Lolol. Now that Patrik is free of him he will catch fire!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What player has worked well with Newhook and Dach this season? Several have been tried.

But they were tried back when Dach was hurt. There's a big difference in how he played in October vs January.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Pseudo-stats are either for fooling oneself or trying to fool someone else. The Habs have played 24 games since Dec 28th (strange date to choose, but I digress). In that span Dach has 13pts in 23gp... 0.57ppg is a 46pt season pace. Not remotely interesting or good for a player with his TOI. Laine has 13pts in 20gp, which is a 53pt season pace, also not interesting or good.

Here's a fun stat: over that period Laine's EV On-Ice GF% is 52.3 to Dach's 43.7. Can someone tell me which one's better.

Yes.

Dach has been significantly 5 0n 5.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Dach was holding Laine back. Lolol. Now that Patrik is free of him he will catch fire!!

Hopefully Laine heats up in down the stretch. He's at about the same point in his season that Dach was when he began to improve. He will get better and I expect him to look a LOT better next year.

I wouldn't too much stock in one game though. Encouraging, yes. But I'm old enough to remember people talking about how Dobbes was going to win every game this season for us.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Hopefully Laine heats up in down the stretch. He's at about the same point in his season that Dach was when he began to improve. He will get better and I expect him to look a LOT better next year.

I wouldn't too much stock in one game though. Encouraging, yes. But I'm old enough to remember people talking about how Dobbes was going to win every game this season for us.

Dobes? I was just poking fun, but yeah. Dach and Laine need a mulligan this year.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Dobes? I was just poking fun, but yeah. Dach and Laine need a mulligan this year.

I wasn't talking about you specifically man. I just bring up Dobbes because he was the 'it guy' for about three games.

And it's good that Laine had a good game. Hopefully it's the start of something. Sometimes you just need a good game to get over the hump.

I don't expect great numbers from him going forward but I'll settle for an improvement. I think we can see that.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I wasn't talking about you specifically man. I just bring up Dobbes because he was the 'it guy' for about three games.

And it's good that Laine had a good game. Hopefully it's the start of something. Sometimes you just need a good game to get over the hump.

I don't expect great numbers from him going forward but I'll settle for an improvement. I think we can see that.

I don’t put much into possession numbers. Sone players are opportunistic. Laine will produce with poor metrics, I don’t care about his metrics if he is producing. He’s one of those players who will never have great metrics

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don’t put much into possession numbers. Sone players are opportunistic. Laine will produce with poor metrics, I don’t care about his metrics if he is producing. He’s one of those players who will never have great metrics

Possession numbers can be deceiving depending on the situation but they're not useless. They at least give you a baseline to work with. And if you're numbers are excellent or terrible then you definitely get a sense of how a player's doing.

If you've got terrible numbers it means you're spending most of your time in your own end. And that's exactly what we saw with Dach to start the year and Laine since he came back.

This isn't smoke and mirror type stuff. And when you see the effect a guy has on others it really drives the point home.

 

[DAChampion]

I don’t put much into possession numbers. Sone players are opportunistic. Laine will produce with poor metrics, I don’t care about his metrics if he is producing. He’s one of those players who will never have great metrics

Hockey stats seems largely produced by people who have both never properly learned statistics (nor played competitive sport at any level). They make a lot of elementary mistakes, but worse than that many of them believe they're incredibly insightful and astute.

I don't expect the average person to know what a Bonferroni correction is, or what a covariance is, but when someone is peddling "advanced stats" and they don't know, it's cringe.

 

[Sorinth]

Hockey stats seems largely produced by people who have both never properly learned statistics (nor played competitive sport at any level). They make a lot of elementary mistakes, but worse than that many of them believe they're incredibly insightful and astute.

I don't expect the average person to know what a Bonferroni correction is, or what a covariance is, but when someone is peddling "advanced stats" and they don't know, it's cringe.

To be fair the stats that presented free to the public aren't what is being used/looked at by the actual analytics departments of teams. As fans what we get pushed the stuff that will generate ad revenue by making people think looking at these stats will give them an edge in their fantasy pools.

 

[DAChampion]

To be fair the stats that presented free to the public aren't what is being used/looked at by the actual analytics departments of teams. As fans what we get pushed the stuff that will generate ad revenue by making people think looking at these stats will give them an edge in their fantasy pools.

It may well be that the stuff being used by teams is a lot higher quality. I don't know. Nobody knows. It could also be equally mediocre.

But yes I am entirely referring to the publicly discussed stats that sometimes make it onto the forum. It may be that some of this is simply trying to make money off of the toxic sports gambling industry. I hadn't realized that. Thank you for the insight.

 

[the]

Laine got that Kovalev ability. Even if he's still injured. He's got that talent to take over a game all by himself.

We need that elite talent even if it's not perfect. He's winning us games. That's all that matters. Is he costing us so games? Maybs but we were already a bottom feeding team for almost a decade before he showed up.

Laine is clearly a needle mover. His game breaking talent is helping us level up. For better or worst. We had one of our best streak in many years because of his arrival. Keep playing him.