Wallet Inspector
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Nelson is starting to turn it around sure, but he started off bad, and Dobson, Horvat and Barzal9when he was healthy) haven't been great offensively,
Patrick Roy: This is the team that Lou gave me
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Mike C
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Dobson has regressed although he's played more aggressive the last 2-3 games. Horvat definitely needs to light the lamp more. Barzal is an enigma. His game is more suited to the Western Conference. He has very appealing qualities but always leaves you wanting more.
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The main issue is paying Horvat and Barzal 1C prices and still not having a 1C. There’s no budget left to bring in that guy anymore and there’s no assets left to create the cap space or acquire one.
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I agree , its just Roy being Roy . Prior to that answer he says he loves the team and they are all buying into his plan / working hard etc.
last week he reprhased a reporters question with a ''do you mean were our asses tight''
DudeWhereIsMakar
Bergevin sent me an offer sheet
I am predicting Patrick Roy becomes not just the head coach but also the GM of this team and it goes on for a very long time.
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Holy shit he actually is 82. Lol the NHL's good ol' boys network never ceases to be funny
FerrisRox
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Well, he won the Jack Adams Award as the best coach in the league, that's a pretty solid piece of evidence, no?
Nut Upstrom
You dirty dog!
He is shifting the blame and rightfully so. If your GM meddles with your line up and forces players onto the ice then he probably should be fielding some questions on the team's poor play.
I hate me some Patrick Roy, but if you hire a guy to coach, let him coach.
I hate me some Patrick Roy, but if you hire a guy to coach, let him coach.
Mike C
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There are multiple issues that being one. Too many long term contracts, not enough capable zone entry skill, chronically garbage power play, fading vets, mentally weak #1 goalie, low quality depth, a GM who the game has passed by, too many untimely turnovers, too much of a country club mentality, lack of toughness and heart
The list is ad nauseum. I've watched every minute of every game for years (except the ones vs Carolina--blacked out in my town). Lou banked on the fact that the team was good enough to perform without Trotz and now 2 coaches and 3 years later, the same team is a mediocre, inconsistent squad
Undaunted, me and my 16 year old are still gonna watch and root but have no illusions of what we are seeing
Mike C
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every major league baseball manager with metrics shoved down their throats say hi!
Lmao metrics are good, especially in a sport like baseball that's so individual based.
And Lou won 2 GM of the year awards both more recently than Roy has been a coach in the NHL
JoeThorntonsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Rants Mulliniks
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He did and they were completely laughable.. Imagine being maxed to the cap with zero stars signed, bottom 3 prospect pool, no picks until the 90's, nowhere near the top of the standings, etc.
Only thing he had going for him was won some playoff rounds on shortened seasons (before sample sizes have a chance to catch up). On the body of work that makes up the sum of a GM's job, those selections were laughable.
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No dog in this fight, but I see a lot of posts talking up Roy's coaching.
He was really bad with the Avalanche. I know he won the Jack Adams during that magical 2013-2014 season. I have great memories of that year, but it was clearly a fluke season. All of Roy's Colorado teams defended poorly and relied on scoring off the transition. The Avalanche were constantly pinned in their own zone, but would somehow win games they were outshot 35-25 thanks to the heroics of Duchene and Varlamov. The famous catchphrase amongst fans was "lose the corsi, win the game!" Colorado fans thought we were stuck with him until he miraculously resigned.
If you want to argue that those Colorado teams weren't very good, you can also thank Roy for that. He also held a front-office role and orchestrated the moves for old players like Jerome Iginla and Brad Stuart. Once he left, the front office began targeting young players and eventually developed into what they are now.
I've only watched one Islanders game this year, but I know enough about their roster to know it's flawed. And I know enough about Roy to know that he's not a good enough coach to overcome those flaws. And unless his comments are taken very far out of context, Roy's spicy personality is starting to rear its head.
He was really bad with the Avalanche. I know he won the Jack Adams during that magical 2013-2014 season. I have great memories of that year, but it was clearly a fluke season. All of Roy's Colorado teams defended poorly and relied on scoring off the transition. The Avalanche were constantly pinned in their own zone, but would somehow win games they were outshot 35-25 thanks to the heroics of Duchene and Varlamov. The famous catchphrase amongst fans was "lose the corsi, win the game!" Colorado fans thought we were stuck with him until he miraculously resigned.
If you want to argue that those Colorado teams weren't very good, you can also thank Roy for that. He also held a front-office role and orchestrated the moves for old players like Jerome Iginla and Brad Stuart. Once he left, the front office began targeting young players and eventually developed into what they are now.
I've only watched one Islanders game this year, but I know enough about their roster to know it's flawed. And I know enough about Roy to know that he's not a good enough coach to overcome those flaws. And unless his comments are taken very far out of context, Roy's spicy personality is starting to rear its head.
Mike C
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Metrics are OK as a tool but when GMs start calling the dugout to tell a manager to take a pitcher throwing a no hitter out because the crappy guy warming up in the bullpen pitches well in day games when the wind blows east against guys who don't hit fly balls on Wednesday's, something isn't quite right as far as I'm concerned
Sidney the Kidney
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Neither guy can hear the other's criticisms because they've both got Stanley Cup rings blocking their ears.
Mike C
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That's not what metrics are for.
The big reason pitchers get pulled early is because batters have vastly more success the 3rd time seeing a starter.
And then these fans use confirmation bias to be pissed any time things go wrong. A manager leaves a starter in for that 6th inning and they give up a few runs, not a peep. They get taken out and the bullpen gives up a run, you'll never hear the end of it.
That and the fact that fans can't cope with the fact that "nerds" have figured out how to more efficiently play baseball better than they ever could fathom.
These analytics were so effective that they had to BAN the use of them in ways (the shift).
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While the Isles play boring hockey, a guy like Lou is still entertaining to me because he does his own thing and doesn't seem to give a shit about what anyone else thinks. You have to respect that. Way too many teams in the league today look way too similar with a bunch of young so-so skill guys, a couple of reclamation projects, and then AHL-ish filler. The whole Engvall thing is also quite amusing from a distance, as a neutral fan.
Mike C
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Nestor Cortes says hi
Hold one,I gotta take this call from Billy Beane, he's gonna tell me where he stores all championship trophies
Protas Zealots
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He deserved those awards about as much as Roy deserved a Jack Adams for those same years
I agree. The point being that Coach or GM of the year awards don't mean shit
What was the analytics there you think with cortes decision, or that it was analytics at all, that was so criminal?
Beane made the most out of a piddly budget in Oakland.
Baseball is a numbers game and a physics equation. And unfortunately that upsets people
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