Saying Marleau does/does not show up is very debatable. He is very streaky and has disappointed more then less come playoff time. I am a fan of Marleau and I think he could make the hall of fame. However, IMO I think the Sharks will not win a Stanley cup with him on the team.
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McSorley33
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Interesting , What gets a person getting into the hall of fame,
Total
Points
Assists
Goals
Top 100
He should make that.
Play offs
Top 50 in 2 categories
Goals
Assists
Points
Pretty good on the penalty kill.
I don't think he will get into the Hall.
If you went off of the numbers a player puts up, he should be one.
Top 100 in all scoring categories.
Players with less have made it in to the Hall.
How do you come to such a conclusion that a single player being on the team is the difference between winning and losing the Stanley Cup?
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Their name starts with either "P" or "J" and ends with either "atrick Marleau" or "oe Thornton"
rangerssharks414
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I don't think Marleau will get into the Hall of Fame, and I don't think he should. He's been a very good player for a long time, but he's never been an elite player. His durability and production has been very good, but again, not elite. And if I recall correctly, he's only been nominated for one major award, and that was the Lady Byng one year. Even if he wins a Stanley Cup (which is not that important for HOF consideration in my opinion), I don't think he gets in. He'll definitely get his number retired, though.
Do you believe every Player in the hall is a elite? If marleau finishes with 500 plus goals 1200 PTS and what the top 15 top maybe top ten alltime playoff goals cup would help his case but even at not. I think he has a good chance
His entry into the Hall of Fame, if it were to happen and yes it is a longshot, is based pretty much solely on his longevity with a single franchise that just happens to be one of the newer expansion teams. If he has to go somewhere else to win a Stanley Cup, he has no chance of entry even if he wins it. The Cup isn't that important but I think they would put weight into a player spending 20+ years in a non-traditional expansion market with the numbers that Marleau would have at the end of it.
rangerssharks414
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No, I don't. There are some players in the HOF that probably don't deserve to be there.
Tied 10th all-time in playoff GWGs
Tied 24th all-time in regular season GWGs
Not saying that necessarily adds to his HOF case, I just like to keep track of it
Tied 24th all-time in regular season GWGs
Not saying that necessarily adds to his HOF case, I just like to keep track of it
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By the end of it, you have to think that Marleau will have 10+ seasons where he was major player on a contending team.
When you don't win a cup with that, it really hurts. After all, the point of the whole game is to win the cup.
The same applies to Joe Thornton.
When you don't win a cup with that, it really hurts. After all, the point of the whole game is to win the cup.
The same applies to Joe Thornton.
Suddenly Zyuzin
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No, Joe Thornton is an easy lock for the Hall of Fame with or without a Cup. Marleau needs something special to add to his resume to even be a borderline candidate. Like a Smythe or a Hart. The second one is highly unlikely at this point and the first is a longshot too.
Joe Thornton on the other hand can just play 5 more seasons scoring 50-60 points a year and he is an easy lock to make the Hall of Fame regardless of team success.
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Marleau's lacking any individual trophies. He probably deserved some Selkes along the way but we all know how it is. He's gonna have to keep chugging along if he wants a shot at the HOF. A Smythe or something like that would really help him out though.
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Patty should be able to hit or at least be very close to 1000 points after next season, and hopefully can hit 500 goals before his contact extension is up. I'm hoping he can continue to climb the ranks so that there's a case for him to make the Hall. Winning the Cup and a Conn Smythe would really help out the cause.
rangerssharks414
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I agree. As long as Thornton doesn't fall off a cliff statistically or get injured, he's getting into the Hall of Fame.
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Suddenly Zyuzin
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He was selected to two gold medal Olympic teams. He wasn't exactly a top player on 2 gold medal winning teams. That'd be like saying a 3rd liner on a cup winning team "won" the cup.
Besides its a team stat. I don't agree with the level of importance we put on cups and rings when judging an individual player's worth.
Thornton's a lock for the hall of fame if he retired right now. It doesn't matter what he does on the ice at this point. He can't unlock himself.
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McSorley33
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What would Marleau's numbers look like in an offensive minded system, The years of Sutter and Wilson were defense.
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Marleau was 3rd in ice time among forwards in Canada's 2010 gold medal tourney, playing both the pp and pk as well as the third line.
Marleau led Team Canada in assists going into the gold-medal game in 2014, playing on the most effective line for the team unquestionably, effective in the offensive and defensive zones, on what became in fact the second line.
Marleau wasn't "exactly" the top player but he was no mere third liner. He was arguably top-6 for Canada in BOTH tourneys!! He certainly was above average and an impact player in Vancouver and Sochi.
Not so much on Wilson but under Sutter, if he was playing in a more average system than Sutter's, he'd have 500 goals already.
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He shall be the symbol of this year's Sharks playoffs roster…
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