Patrick Kane as a prospect

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how good was he? did he exceed expectations? i don't remember much hype for him as a prospect at least not compared to crosby, ovechkin, and malkin

he's very small, small athletes tend to be underestimated so were his skills so great that people ignored his size or were their questions about his size?
 
He has massively exceeded them. Remember Central scouting had Turris at number 1. 2007 as viewed as fairly weak, and he was probably less heralded than the top 5 of the 2006 class (EJ, J. Staal, Toews, Backstrom and Kessel). He put up crazy numbers in junior, which probably should have gotten more attention, but a lot of people also liked Gagner and to a lesser extent S. Kostitsyn, and were a bit skeptical of the numbers of guys on the Knights, given a recent Western New York prodigy who put up big numbers there.
 
There were two concerns: size and a lack of defensive awareness. There was always hesitance among scouts due to his small stature, but his sheer dominance at the junior level was enough for him to be able to overcome those doubts.

Here is a timeline:
Blue-liner 'No. 1 priority' for Fronts in draft: [Final Edition]
Kennedy, Patrick. Kingston Whig - Standard; Kingston, Ont. [Kingston, Ont]30 Apr 2004: 19 Front.

With an outside chance of losing three veteran blue-liners, the Kingston Frontenacs will zero in on a rearguard with their first- round pick (ninth overall) in tomorrow's Ontario Hockey League Priority Selection.

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Among the offensive threats that may still be up for grabs after eight picks is Patrick Kane, a California-born forward who dominated a Michigan midget loop last winter. The shifty five-foot-nine centre tallied 77 goals and 85 assists in just 72 games.

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He debuted on ISS' November Top 30 list at #11.

October 11, 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20061011225046/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
December 6, 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20061206194844/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=

Before the 2007 World Junior tournament, Kane had 26 goals, 67 points in 32 games with the London Knights.

http://londonknights.com/players/4581/game_by_game/29

Here is a pre-WJC report on Kane:
Strutting their stuff
Winnipeg Free Press [Winnipeg, Man] 24 Dec 2006: C.4.

The Top 10 draft eligible players at the 2007 WJC, provided by International Scouting Services:

* Jakub Voracek, RW, Czech Republic

Currently ranked No. 1 overall at ISS for the 2007 NHL draft. Voracek has adapted quickly to the North American game, and has been the Halifax Mooseheads best player most nights. This highly skilled offensive forward will be counted on to be one of the offensive leaders for team Czech Republic. Has the puck on his stick every shift and thinks the game beautifully. The puck seems to gravitate toward him and follows him around the ice.

* James Van Riemsdyk, RW, USA

Has clearly established himself as a top 5 prospect for the 2007 NHL Draft. Van Riemsdyk has the size/scoring combination all scouts seek from the wing position. He uses his big frame exceptionally well and has become much quicker. He has all the tools for stardom. Will score some highlight reel goals, and can score in a variety of ways.

* Karl Alzner, D, Canada

Currently ranked 5th overall by ISS, Alzner has quietly entered into the upper class of young defencemen in the WHL. Alzner has a good shot, but the skills that stand out are his skating and hockey sense. He may only see limited ice time however it will certainly be a learning experience for the youngster.

* Patrick Kane, RW, USA

Kane is a very skilled forward who is always dangerous offensively. He has tremendous down-low skills around the net and a terrific shot. His quick release and ability to handle the puck in close quarters makes him a desirable commodity for the upcoming draft. Currently ranked 11th overall by ISS.

* Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Russia

There is a lot of interest in this young player and rightfully so. One of the most offensively skilled players in his age group. With his strong early season play in the Russian Super League, Cherepanov has emerged as a bona fide early first rounder for the upcoming 2007 NHL draft. Has been very impressive with 18 points, including 10 goals in 25 games.

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In spite of Patrick Kane's terrific first half of the 2006-07 OHL season and an impressive 2007 World Junior tournament where he had 5 goals, 9 points in 7 games and won a bronze medal, he was ranked #4 by NHL Central Scouting and #6 by ISS in their January rankings.

CSS (January 2007): https://web.archive.org/web/20070202221414/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10901&hubname=
ISS (January 2007): https://web.archive.org/web/20070203222124/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
Top NHL prospects: [MET Edition]
Toronto Star [Toronto, Ont] 11 Jan 2007: D7.

NHL Central Scouting service's midseason rankings

for the June 23 NHL draft in Columbus

1. ANGELO ESPOSITO C (Quebec Remparts)

2. JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK LW (U.S. under-18 team)

3. SAM GAGNER C (London Knights)

4. PATRICK KANE RW (London Knights)

5. KYLE TURRIS C (Burnaby Express)

6. KEATON ELLERBY D (Kamloops Blazers)

7. JOHN BLUM D (Vancouver Giants)

8. KARL ALZNER D (Calgary Hitmen)

9. BRANDON SUTTER C/RW (Red Deer Rebels)

10. TOMMY CROSS D (Westminster High School, Conn.)

11. TREVOR CANN G (Peterborough Petes)

TOP PLAYER ALEXEI CHEREPANOV RW (Avangard Omsk)

TOP GOALIE MARK OWUYA (Djurgarden, Sweden, juniors)
International Scouting Services' list of the top draft-eligible prospects for the NHL's 2007 Entry Draft to be held June 23 in Columbus.

Top 30 Skaters

1. Cherepanov, Alexei RW 6.00 183 L 1/15/1989 Omsk
2. Alzner, Karl D 6.02 210 L 9/4/1988 Calgary
3. Van Riemsdyk, James LW 6.03 191 L 5/4/1989 US Under-18
4. Voracek, Jakub C 6.01 188 L 8/15/1989 Halifax
5. Couture, Logan F 6.01 188 R 3/28/1989 Ottawa
6. Kane, Patrick RW 5.10 162 L 11/9/1988 London
7. Turris, Kyle C 6.00 165 R 8/14/1989 Burnaby
8. Petrecki, Nick D 6.03 213 L 7/11/1989 Omaha
9. Gagner, Sam RW 5.11 190 R 8/10/1989 London
10. Esposito, Angelo C 6.01 180 L 2/20/1989 Quebec
Here is TSN's "Risers and Fallers" feature from that time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070203222105/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10684&hubname=
Rising Players

Alexei Cherepanov / Omsk Avangard

Cherepanov was absolutely phenomenal throughout the World Juniors, and has thus risen to the lofty height of #1 in our January rankings after being ranked too low in previous reports. That and his effort in Sweden account for his big jump. Cherepanov is arguably one of the most skilled players available. Mature for age, he has tremendous offensive skills. He handles the puck well at high speed.

Patrick Kane / London Knights

One of the most offensively gifted players eligible for the 07 NHL Draft, Kane scored a couple of highlight reel goals at the World Juniors, clearly establishing himself as a top-5 prospect. Does not always pay attention to defense, but certainly has offensive skills required to play at the next level.

Daniel Kelly / Kitchener Rangers

One of the biggest surprises in the OHL this year has to be the play of Kitchener Rangers rookie defensemen Daniel Kelly. Saw quite a bit of ice time with his team�s top 2 defencemen at the World Juniors. Skates well, moved the puck up ice well, made the smart pass. Consistently got his hard shot through to the net from the point. Saw time on the PP, handled the puck well, calm. A player to keep an eye on.

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Falling Players

Angelo Esposito / Quebec Remparts

A really bad performance for this highly touted prospect who hasn't lived up to expectations so far this season and who still might have a hangover from his WJC cut after a bad evaluation camp. Plays on the outside - does a lot of fishing with stick near scrums for loose pucks. Did not have a good night on draws � won about 30% - strength could be an issue here. Needs to show more competitiveness. Used his speed to win races but wouldn't battle for loose pucks. Soft mentally and questionable leadership ability at next level.

Jan Eberle / Seattle Thunderbirds

Not a great skater, but the hardest worker on the ice plays on the top line and works each shift for it. Will hit and battle in corners but may not be able to skate at next level. Work ethic overcomes this lack of skating in junior but it won't at next level.

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Here is a January 2007 article about Kane and London Knights linemate Sam Gagner:
Knights of honour: London snipers Sam Gagner and Patrick Kane are turning heads: [National Edition]
Eric Koreen in London. National Post; Don Mills, Ont. [Don Mills, Ont]22 Jan 2007: S6.

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The rookie linemates are tearing up the Ontario Hockey League, leading their familiar place atop the Western Conference (through Saturday's games). Kane and Gagner are third and fourth respectively in league scoring, despite each missing a handful of games to participate in the world junior hockey championship in Sweden. And the two teenagers were ranked third and fourth -- this time with Gagner ahead -- when NHL Central Scouting Services listed its top North American skaters eligible for the NHL Entry Draft earlier this month.

"Coming in here, they have exceeded all expectations," said Londonco-owner andhead coach Dale Hunter. "They're the top scorers in the league, and they did it right away. They've gotten better every day, and they'll keep getting better and better."

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Kane, 18, took a different route to London. The Buffalo native spent the previous two years playing for USA Hockey's National Team Development Program, putting up gaudy numbers. Kane, selected by London in the fifth round of the 2004 OHL bantam draft, was leaning toward going to college, something that was reinforced by the culture at the development program in Ann Arbor, Mich. "To be honest with you, they're very against the OHL because they don't think it prepares you for the next level, whether it be weight training or anything else," Kane said.

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Kane, who had narrowed down his college choices to Boston University and the University of Michigan, left behind quite a legacy at the development program when he signed with London in September. He had 172 points with the team during his two years, placing him second on the career points list behind only Phil Kessel.

While Kane could have played another half-year with the program, the lure of a state-of-the-art arena and a full season was too much to pass up.

"It was absolutely hard for us to lose him," said John Hynes, who coached Kane during his two years in the program. "Anytime you can have a player of his calibre as a player on the ice and a person off the ice, you would like him to be around for the younger guys to look up at."

Since joining forces in September, Gagner, the set-up artist, and Kane, the sniper, have clicked, despite not knowing much about each other beforehand. Kane entered yesterday with 32 goals and 84 points in 38 games. Gagner had 23 goals and 77 points in 36 games.

"I remember the Hunters telling me he's a great passer with great vision and a great skills set, but I thought they were just saying that to try to get me to come here," Kane said. "I didn't know what he'd be like. But they're right: he's a great player with vision out there. It's fun to play with a guy like that."

"I think he reads the play really well, and he's really unselfish," Gagner said. "He's able to get open for me when I have the puck, and I try to do the same when he has the puck, and so far it has worked out really well." In the process, the two stars have pushed each other to prominence in scouting circles, with the latest set of rankings validating the pair's hard work.

"We have a goal where we want to go one-two in the draft," Kane said. "It's fun pushing each other to see where we could be ranked. But it doesn't really mean much."

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Kane jumped to #4 on ISS' February 2007 list (by that point, he had scored 51 goals, 114 points in 47 games with London):
Hitmen's Alzner rated No. 2 prospect: [Early Edition]
Calgary Herald [Calgary, Alta] 13 Feb 2007: F8.

Alexei Cherepanov, an 18-year-old right-winger playing for Omsk of the Russian elite league, is the No. 1-rated prospect for the 2007 NHL entry draft in the International Scouting Services's mid-season report.

Defenceman Karl Alzner of the WHL's Calgary Hitmen is No. 2, and left-winger James Van Riemsdyk of the U.S. under-18 program is No. 3 in the ISS rankings.

Right-winger Patrick Kane of the OHL's London Knights is No. 4, and right-winger Jakub Voracek of the QMJHL's Halifax Mooseheads is No. 5.

Rounding out the top 10 are centre Logan Couture of the OHL's Ottawa 67s, centre Kyle Turris of the BCJHL team in Burnaby, centre Sam Gagner of the Knights, defenceman Keaton Ellerby of the WHL's Kamloops Blazers and centre Angelo Esposito of the QMJHL's Quebec Remparts.
He jumped to #2 on ISS' list on the March 7 list (55 goals, 129 points in 53 games with London by that point): https://web.archive.org/web/20070318011730/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
He remained at #2 on ISS' list on the April 7 list (62 goals, 145 points in 58 games with London): https://web.archive.org/web/20070422124817/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
He finally jumped to #1 on ISS' May 9 list: https://web.archive.org/web/20070607180706/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=

Kane peaked at #2 on NHL Central Scouting's final June ranking:
CENTRAL SCOUTING BUREAU FINAL RANKINGS
The Globe and Mail (1936-Current) [Toronto, Ont] 22 June 2007: S1.

1. KYLE TURRIS, C, BURNABY

EXPRESS: 66 goals and 55 assists, for 121 points in 53 BCHL games ... league MVP ... 6-1 and 170 pounds ... has total skills package and tremendous upside ... excellent shot, good at getting puck to open man, and also has the grit to battle in front of net for rebounds ... the bigger the game, the better he plays ... conscientious defensively ... can control the flow of a game ... standout for Canada at 2007 world under-18 tournament ... nickname is KT ... moved up from No. 5 in Central Scouting's midseason rankings with strong second half ... is enrolling at University of Wisconsin, so not readily available.

2. PATRICK KANE, RW, LONDON KNIGHTS: led all major junior point-getters with 62 goals and 83 assists, for 145 points in 58 OHL games ... smallest of the top prospects at 5-10 and 160 pounds ... excellent puck and stickhandling skills, good speed and shot, all of which make him one of the most offensively gifted players in the draft ... scored five goals for U.S. team at 2007 world junior tournament ... only knock against him is that he doesn't always pay attention to defensive responsibilities ... independent International Scouting Services had him No. 1 in its May report ... Chicago picks first and many predict Kane will be their man.

3. JAMES VANRIEMSDYK, LW, USA UNDER-18: led team with 33-30 in 43 games ... imposing power forward is 6-3 and 200 pounds and strong on the puck ... long reach and soft hands ... good skater with quick acceleration ... pro-level shot ... great ability to find open teammates ... impressive work ethic ... star on U.S. world junior team ... nicknamed Reemer ... intends to play at University of New Hampshire in the fall, so not readily available ... if Chicago takes Kane and Philadelphia follows by taking Turris, expect vanRiemsdyk to go third to Phoenix.

4. KEATON ELLERBY, D, KAMLOOPS BLAZERS: two goals and 23 assists in 69 WHL games ... rugged, as his 120 penalty minutes attest ... 6-4 and 194-pound size will appeal to a lot of teams ... won hardest shot competition at major junior Top Prospects Game ... exceptional skater ... handles puck well ... nickname is Els ... cousin of Phoenix captain Shane Doan ... Blue Jackets, picking seventh, will be interested if he's still available.

5. KARL ALZNER, D, CALGARY

HITMEN: 8-39 in 63 WHL games ... 6-2 and 209 pounds ... composed and smart ... stay-at-home D ... makes difficult plays look easy ... power-play quarterback with strong shot from point ... helped Canada win world junior gold last January ... scouts would like to see him rush with the puck more and to throw his body around more often, but agree he's got the talent to go in the top five ... teammates call him Al ... Washington picks fifth and needs defence prospects.
At the 2007 NHL Draft:
Is this Kane able?; No. 1 pick or not, London Knights' diminutive star forward accustomed to proving naysayers wrong: [Early Edition]
Cruickshank, Scott. Calgary Herald; Calgary, Alta. [Calgary, Alta]22 June 2007: D1 FRONT.

Patrick Kane took note of the agents, particularly the path they were beating to other lockers. He watched them buzz around his bigger teammates, glad-handing and pitching woo. This snub, a few years back, never sat well with the shrimpy boy from Buffalo. And, still steamed, here he is. Poised to go near the top of the National Hockey League's entry draft tonight -- maybe even first overall -- Kane . . . does . . . not . . . have . . . representation. He carries a grudge. But no agent.

"I felt that I was kind of left out," Kane explained to a wall of reporters at the NHL prospects luncheon Thursday at Nationwide Arena.

"The last couple years, they started to come around and really hound me. (But) I've gotten here by myself. I don't need an agent to represent me now. . . To be honest with you, I'm just being myself," said Kane. "I want to show the confidence I have in myself. If teams like that, that's great. If some have a problem with it, that's the kid I really am."

Kane is wee -- 160 pounds -- but, equally undisputed, is his talent. As a rookie for the London Knights of the Ontario Hockey League, the right-winger led all major-junior skaters with 145 points, in only 58 games. However, whispers of disrespect continue.

"With my size, there's obviously a lot of doubt," said Kane. "But when I'm on the ice I never think about my size. I never think about any of that stuff."

One pro scout wondered out loud Thursday morning: "When was the last time a team was built around a five-foot-nine player?"

But don't low-riders such as Daniel Briere and Chris Drury thrive in the new NHL? So it must be frustrating to hear the concerns.

"What are you going to do? Everyone has their own opinion," said Kane, who, with the U.S. under-18 squad in 2005-06, shattered Phil Kessel's record for points. "The last two years, I think I really raised my stock. Hopefully, I can continue that into the NHL and keep proving people wrong."

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Leading up to Columbus, many observers were confident the Chicago Blackhawks would make Kane the No. 1 man. Now, there is momentum for another school of thought -- that Kyle Turris, coming off a fantastic Junior A winter in Burnaby, B.C., will go first. Which drops Kane to second and the Philadelphia Flyers. Or down to No. 3. Or even beyond.

"If it doesn't work out, I'm just going to have to fight through another adversity," he said. "Whatever team picks me, I'm going to try to make sure they made the right pick, have a good camp and make some statements."

Kane was certainly making statements after his chicken-and- lasagna lunch Thursday. Of the 17 prospects on hand for interviews, the smallest drew the biggest crowd.

"I've never had this many mikes in my face, but I guess it's all for a good cause," said Kane, who turns 19 in November. "It's all fun here. I'm not going to worry about the knocks against me. Hopefully, I can go as high as I can. If not, it's just another chapter in the books."

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Gagner was the man for me on that draft until I saw Kane in WJC. Didn't do much then IIRC, but man was he smooth and skilled. Then he finished with 145points or so in stacked London Knights team so you knew that he is something more than just small skilled guy.

That said, I'd never believed he is winning Hart, Smythe, 3 Cups. No way. Maybe, maybe an Art Ross in his peak year. But yeah, he has exceeded the expectations.
 
Definitely exceeded expectations. Kane was viewed as small, not that good defensively, and there were questions as he was a late birthday and only really started to come on during his draft year. Sam Gagner was leading the Knights in scoring up until after the WJC and for the longest time, Gagner was seen as the better prospect.
 
The one year the Flyers were terrible and they lost the lottery.
Still wouldn't have picked Kane, I think.

Then three years later Kane's the one scoring the cup winning goal against them...
 
There were two concerns: size and a lack of defensive awareness. There was always hesitance among scouts due to his small stature, but his sheer dominance at the junior level was enough for him to be able to overcome those doubts.

Here is a timeline:

He debuted on ISS' November Top 30 list at #11.

October 11, 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20061011225046/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
December 6, 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20061206194844/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=

Before the 2007 World Junior tournament, Kane had 26 goals, 67 points in 32 games with the London Knights.

http://londonknights.com/players/4581/game_by_game/29

Here is a pre-WJC report on Kane:

In spite of Patrick Kane's terrific first half of the 2006-07 OHL season and an impressive 2007 World Junior tournament where he had 5 goals, 9 points in 7 games and won a bronze medal, he was ranked #4 by NHL Central Scouting and #6 by ISS in their January rankings.

CSS (January 2007): https://web.archive.org/web/20070202221414/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10901&hubname=
ISS (January 2007): https://web.archive.org/web/20070203222124/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=


Here is TSN's "Risers and Fallers" feature from that time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070203222105/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10684&hubname=

Here is a January 2007 article about Kane and London Knights linemate Sam Gagner:

Kane jumped to #4 on ISS' February 2007 list (by that point, he had scored 51 goals, 114 points in 47 games with London):

He jumped to #2 on ISS' list on the March 7 list (55 goals, 129 points in 53 games with London by that point): https://web.archive.org/web/20070318011730/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
He remained at #2 on ISS' list on the April 7 list (62 goals, 145 points in 58 games with London): https://web.archive.org/web/20070422124817/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=
He finally jumped to #1 on ISS' May 9 list: https://web.archive.org/web/20070607180706/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=

Kane peaked at #2 on NHL Central Scouting's final June ranking:

At the 2007 NHL Draft:

wow you really did your homework

thanks
 
^ Should read his expose' on the Messier/Canucks ordeal if you think that was homework, heh.

Very sad reading back on Alexei Cherepanov's name in several of those quotes, too.
 
Always thought, if not for Martin St Louis breaking out like he did, Kane would likely have gone outside the top 10. For instance Parise should have gone top 5. Briere top 10. But those predudices existed. Martin's MVP year really changed perceptions on smaller guys.
 

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