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Part 2 2014 Flyers' Draft Talk [times and TV info in first post]

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hockeyfreak7 said:
I like Milano more and more every time I see or read something new about him. He's got some insane skill.

If we get any one of Milano, Fiala, Vrana, or Virtanen I will be through the roof excited.
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I take Virtanen over all of them. If we landed Virtanen I would be ecstatic. Unfortunately I don't see him being there at 17.
 
orange is better said:
I take Virtanen over all of them. If we landed Virtanen I would be ecstatic. Unfortunately I don't see him being there at 17.
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I would, too. His shot is just lethal. And he's an incredible skater with a physical presence. Personally, I think he's pushing the top tier. I'd consider him even over Dal Colle.

I just really hope his shoulder injury is enough to make him fall. Otherwise, I can't see him making it out of the top 10. That said, I'm really, really high on Fiala and Milano, too. There's a lot of real solid players in the mid range this year that have lots of promise. This draft is going to end up a lot better than a lot of the pundits are currently suggesting.

EDIT: And I can also see a lot of these mid range guys ending up better than Reinhart/Bennet/Dal Colle.
 
Striiker said:
You never know, he has an injury right now and doesn't he have some maturity issues? Could scare some teams off if true.
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Really? I haven't heard anything about maturity issues. There's a video of him interviewing with Calgary today, and he sounded pretty level headed, at least.

The shoulder thing is our only hope for him to fall.
 
hockeyfreak7 said:
Really? I haven't heard anything about maturity issues. There's a video of him interviewing with Calgary today, and he sounded pretty level headed, at least.

The shoulder thing is our only hope for him to fall.
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I could have sworn I read a couple people talking about that on here, I can't seem to find it though... I might be mistaken. I know Milano has questions about that so maybe I just mixed the two up.
 
I really don't get this infatuation with Milano. There are a handful of guys id take over him who may be available at 17. I have serious concerns about his ability to make quick decisions at the highest level. I want a more pure shooter if were going forward. Hoping that one of Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Ehlers falls to us, but if not (which seems very likely) I take Tuch over Milano in a millisecond.
 
orange is better said:
I really don't get this infatuation with Milano. There are a handful of guys id take over him who may be available at 17. I have serious concerns about his ability to make quick decisions at the highest level. I want a more pure shooter if were going forward. Hoping that one of Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Ehlers falls to us, but if not (which seems very likely) I take Tuch over Milano in a millisecond.
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I don't think I've seen one ranking that has Tuch over Milano (though I'd love to see one if you have). And I'd say there's a reason for that. The two are as comparable as any in the draft given the almost identical nature of their minutes this year, and Milano was objectively better. Just as he was the year before.

Like I said before, I think Tuch will be a fantastic complementary player to other elite talent, and I won't be displeased in the slightest if he's the guy, but there's pretty much no reason to have him ahead of Milano right now unless you are really hung up on the size factor or have a strong hunch that he will translate better for some reason.

I would prefer a pure shooter as well, but Milano is an incredibly dynamic player, and you can't justify taking an objectively inferior player because he is a closer match to your preferred player type. I think you're underselling Milano's shooting ability, too, and perhaps overstating Tuch's. I wouldn't call him a "pure shooter". Rather, I'd call him an opportunistic power forward who goes to the net very well.

To put it in real terms, I'd say Tuch is more Bobby Ryan and Milano is more Tyler Seguin. One is a nice offensive piece to have, but the other is a gamebreaker.
 
Milano
USHL: 25GP 14G 25A 39P
Exhibition: 58GP 29G 57A 86P
U18: 7GP 3G 7A 10P

Tuch
USHL: 26GP 13G 19A 32P
Exhibition: 61GP 29G 35A 64P
U18: 7GP 0G 3A 3P

Milano's scored more goals than Tuch but also outscored him by a good margin this year in less games.

I honestly don't care that he's not shoot first, he's a potenial high end offensive forward which we could use in our system.
 
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LegionOfDoom91 said:
Milano
USHL: 25GP 14G 25A 39P
Exhibition: 58GP 29G 57A 86P
U18: 7GP 3G 7A 10P

Tuch
USHL: 26GP 13G 19A 32P
Exhibition: 61GP 29G 35A 64P
U18: 7GP 0G 3A 3P

Milano's scored more goals than Tuch but also outscored him by a good margin this year in less games.

I honestly don't care that he's not shoot first, he's a potenial high end offensive forward which we could use in our system.
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Exactly. This team has only two players in its entire system who can create offensive chances alone in Giroux and Voracek. Everyone else needs support on their line to get stuff done. Some of the power forwards this year (eg, Perlini, Tuch, and Ritchie) scare me a little bit because I question whether they will be true offensive generators or more of what we already have in Simmonds, Schenn, Hartnell, and Read.

Everyone's looking for the perfect complement for G and V, but that's not a hole you fill in the draft (or actively try to fill). It's much safer to go with the guy you project to be the best rather than the one you think will theoretically fit the best in three years time.
 
hockeyfreak7 said:
I don't think I've seen one ranking that has Tuch over Milano (though I'd love to see one if you have). And I'd say there's a reason for that. The two are as comparable as any in the draft given the almost identical nature of their minutes this year, and Milano was objectively better. Just as he was the year before.

Like I said before, I think Tuch will be a fantastic complementary player to other elite talent, and I won't be displeased in the slightest if he's the guy, but there's pretty much no reason to have him ahead of Milano right now unless you are really hung up on the size factor or have a strong hunch that he will translate better for some reason.

I would prefer a pure shooter as well, but Milano is an incredibly dynamic player, and you can't justify taking an objectively inferior player because he is a closer match to your preferred player type. I think you're underselling Milano's shooting ability, too, and perhaps overstating Tuch's. I wouldn't call him a "pure shooter". Rather, I'd call him an opportunistic power forward who goes to the net very well.

To put it in real terms, I'd say Tuch is more Bobby Ryan and Milano is more Tyler Seguin. One is a nice offensive piece to have, but the other is a gamebreaker.
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My opinion isn't really based off of anyone else's ranking, it's based off of actually watching the players. And I didn't say that Tuch is a pure shooter, just that I'd take him over Milano if none of the guys I mentioned were left on the board.

And Sonny Milano is not Tyler Seguin. There's a much better chance that Tuch is Bobby Ryan than there is that Milano is Tyler Seguin.
 
orange is better said:
My opinion isn't really based off of anyone else's ranking, it's based off of actually watching the players. And I didn't say that Tuch is a pure shooter, just that I'd take him over Milano if none of the guys I mentioned were left on the board.
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Not saying your opinion should be based off of others', just that there's a reason not many people hold that same opinion.

And Sonny Milano is not Tyler Seguin. There's a much better chance that Tuch is Bobby Ryan than there is that Milano is Tyler Seguin.
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It was a stylistic comparison. Milano plays with the same electric dynamism of Seguin. As for Tuch, the point is that he's not a terribly effective force on his own. He's a solid player, but he needs the support of highly talented line mates along with him to be successful. Milano and Eichel were stirring that drink this year. Tuch was great as a complement, but he didn't generate the offense like they did.
 
hockeyfreak7 said:
Not saying your opinion should be based off of others', just that there's a reason not many people hold that same opinion.


It was a stylistic comparison. Milano plays with the same electric dynamism of Seguin. As for Tuch, the point is that he's not a terribly effective force on his own. He's a solid player, but he needs the support of highly talented line mates along with him to be successful. Milano and Eichel were stirring that drink this year. Tuch was great as a complement, but he didn't generate the offense like they did.
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I get that, however that doesn't necessarily mean a more effective player at the nhl level. My rationale is that Tuch would be a better fit on a line with Giroux that Milano.
 
orange is better said:
I get that, however that doesn't necessarily mean a more effective player at the nhl level. My rationale is that Tuch would be a better fit on a line with Giroux that Milano.
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That's where I may agree with you. But like I said before, that's where your drafting strategy can get dangerous. You're playing with fire turning down a more dynamic player because another player should theoretically fit better next to your top line center.

For one, we don't know how chemistry really works. I wouldn't have told you that JVR/Kessel would make a good duo, but they do. I'd still rather go for a guy who can be more than just a complement to really good players. Especially given the lack of offensive drivers in our system.
 
Would you guys move Laughton for Kapanen? Just curious what the reaction would be.

Say Kapanen falls to Arizona at 12th overall. You get to keep the 17th, and your 2nd. Just straight up Laughton for Kapanen. Would you be absolutely furious if Flyers management pulled the trigger?
 
rt said:
Would you guys move Laughton for Kapanen? Just curious what the reaction would be.

Say Kapanen falls to Arizona at 12th overall. You get to keep the 17th, and your 2nd. Just straight up Laughton for Kapanen. Would you be absolutely furious if Flyers management pulled the trigger?
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I personally wouldn't but I'm not really crazy about Kapanen nor am I about moving up.
 
rt said:
Would you guys move Laughton for Kapanen? Just curious what the reaction would be.

Say Kapanen falls to Arizona at 12th overall. You get to keep the 17th, and your 2nd. Just straight up Laughton for Kapanen. Would you be absolutely furious if Flyers management pulled the trigger?
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Not bad, but I don't think I'd do it. Laughton projects to be the ideal 3C, and he's NHL ready. Kapanen's not a sure thing, and I don't project him being anything more than a solid second line winger.

If Virtanen's still on the board, I'd probably go for it, though.
 
rt said:
Would you guys move Laughton for Kapanen? Just curious what the reaction would be.

Say Kapanen falls to Arizona at 12th overall. You get to keep the 17th, and your 2nd. Just straight up Laughton for Kapanen. Would you be absolutely furious if Flyers management pulled the trigger?
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No way. We need Laughton to solidify a line defensively behind G and Couts. We need to become less of a matchup team, a la LA.
 
Stats for today's physical component of the combine: https://link.nhl.com/centralscouting/public/;jsessionid=3ihyx4m2lths16epiz9un72ch


Bennet putting up zero pull ups is the hot topic, but frankly, the most astounding statistic to me is Milano's 79" wingspan. Equal to Tuch, Draisaitl, and Ekblad. Just an inch shy of 6'7" Hunter Smith.

No clue what to make of that for actual hockey ability, but it stood out to me nonetheless.

Kapanen and Nylander had solid performances as well.
 
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