I really like Ivan Barbashev's game. He's more of a passer than sniper. I think he's really close to being NHL ready. He's the type of well-rounded 2-way player that the Flyers love.
Part 2 2014 Flyers' Draft Talk [times and TV info in first post]
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Jtown
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I did...for whats its worth that is one outlet and many scouts have Virtanen as a Torres.
If we are going by that list, Fiala has better puck skills and hockey IQ. And a better playmaker.
Sebastian Aho is an intriguing prospect to use a late round pick on. Very undersized, but it might be worth it to take the risk.
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and kapanen fits our needs better as well and i am banking on both being gone by our pick.
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I wouldn't call him a Zherdev. He was in a class all by himself.
I think Ales Hemsky is a better comparable for Ho-Sang and that's if he even hits his ceiling.
I think Ales Hemsky is a better comparable for Ho-Sang and that's if he even hits his ceiling.
I'd take that. Aside from his injuries, his first eight years or are nothing to complain about. He was pretty close to PPG player during most of that time. If Ho-Sang can pull that off for eight years, I'd be psyched.
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i love how hockey is the only sport where they cite kids at 18 as having charachter issues then watch them fall in the draft.
In the nfl clowney, manziel, and lewan all are drafted high after having much more serious character issues than ho sang.
In the nfl clowney, manziel, and lewan all are drafted high after having much more serious character issues than ho sang.
Guys definitely fall in the NFL every year for character issues. Granted, they aren't 18, but every year there are guys that fall. A guy like Clowney, who is that good, is not going to fall. If Connor McDavid had off-ice issues...he'd still go #1 next year.
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Yeah, but that's if he hits his ceiling. Players rarely hit their ceiling.
One guy to keep an eye on is David Pastrnak. I was talking to some people on twitter and actually did some research on some of his latest information... The kid has some legit talent. They say his hands, speed and posession of the puck are top notch. Hounds the puck and tries to create odd man rushes using his speed. He sounds like a Voracek to me (abit). His one problem is his defensive play needs work. Doesnt sound like he is lazy though so that does help hopefully improve it. Slightly off the board pick but his injury made him fall. He was ranked in the teens mid season.
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Ho Sang has been red flagged by multiple NHL teams because of character concerns. There are also questions about how much his skills will translate to the NHL level. Some view him as a Rob Schremp type player.
There are quite a few skilled players that I'd rather take instead of him. I'm all for drafting skill, but Ho Sang has too many red flags for me, especially for a 1st round pick.
You don't want to miss on 1st round picks. That's how you set your franchise back.
There are quite a few skilled players that I'd rather take instead of him. I'm all for drafting skill, but Ho Sang has too many red flags for me, especially for a 1st round pick.
You don't want to miss on 1st round picks. That's how you set your franchise back.
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How many NHL guys that slide due to character issues actually turned out to be some catastrophic miss for teams that passed? None are coming to mind
To me the type of character issue is what matters. If you are talking about the guy being a jerk unrelated to hockey or having a brush or two with the law, I don't care really. It's problems with commitment to training, preparation, etc., or on ice attitude issues like floating that I send up the red flag.
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Strengths – Josh Ho-Sang is one of the most offensively gifted players in this year’s draft. He’s an excellent skater who generates good speed in his first three steps and has great explosiveness in his stride. He’s extremely creative with the puck, and sees the ice very well. He has an unbelievable set of hands, and is tough to defend because of his unpredictability. Playing on the wing allows Ho-Sang to get up and down the ice in straight lines without much traffic, which really allows him to utilize his speed. He has high hockey IQ, and can read the game very quickly. He’s an excellent passer on both his forehand and his backhand, and is very shifty with the puck. Ho-Sang can stop and start on a dime, which makes him very tough to contain. On top of his dynamic skating ability, excellent passing skills and hands, Ho-Sang also owns a good shot with a very quick release. He has the full arsenal offensively, which makes him almost impossible to defend at times, especially when he’s given time and space. One thing I like about Ho-Sang is only 23 of his 85 points came on the power play, so he’s consistently able to generate offense at even strength.
Weaknesses – First and foremost, Ho-Sang needs to bulk up. He’s pretty light and can be pushed off the puck against too frequently at times, so adding some muscle will help with that. He also needs to improve in the defensive zone, as sometimes he tries fancy plays to get the puck out rather than banking it off the boards or making the simple play. He also tends to force plays or try to do too much if things aren’t going his way, so there’s room for improvement in that aspect as well.
this guy does not sound like rob schremp a guy who couldn't skate. Also for charachter concern guys, coots was touted as a guy with red flags and one of the reasons why he dropped.
Weaknesses – First and foremost, Ho-Sang needs to bulk up. He’s pretty light and can be pushed off the puck against too frequently at times, so adding some muscle will help with that. He also needs to improve in the defensive zone, as sometimes he tries fancy plays to get the puck out rather than banking it off the boards or making the simple play. He also tends to force plays or try to do too much if things aren’t going his way, so there’s room for improvement in that aspect as well.
this guy does not sound like rob schremp a guy who couldn't skate. Also for charachter concern guys, coots was touted as a guy with red flags and one of the reasons why he dropped.
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HoSang's lack of compete without the puck on his stick is a gigantic concern to me (and scouts across the league). Nobody's denying that he's an awesome talent, but hockey is a game where your off-puck play still has tremendous influence on both personal and team success.
Every time I watch HoSang, I see him do some awesome things with the puck, but only when the puck makes its way to him. He is very poor at competing to get the puck back.
He's not a Zherdev by any means, but it's the same reason Zherdev never became anything. Contrary to the popular line, Zherdev's defensive play wasn't his primary downfall (plenty of players in the NHL are awful defensively). It was his unwillingness to actually compete for the puck when it wasn't on his stick.
Every time I watch HoSang, I see him do some awesome things with the puck, but only when the puck makes its way to him. He is very poor at competing to get the puck back.
He's not a Zherdev by any means, but it's the same reason Zherdev never became anything. Contrary to the popular line, Zherdev's defensive play wasn't his primary downfall (plenty of players in the NHL are awful defensively). It was his unwillingness to actually compete for the puck when it wasn't on his stick.
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I feel like the things that ho sang is good at are hard to coach up, whereas the things he struggles with are things that coaching can have an effect on.
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You're not wrong, but the fact of the matter is that if HoSang doesn't improve on such weaknesses, he won't be a strong NHLer. Other players have holes in their games, too, but those holes aren't ones that prohibit them from being effective at the NHL level.
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To illustrate my point, here is a snip of HP's scouting report on Milano:
And on HoSang:
That assessment is bang on for JHS. It perfectly describes my observation of his biggest weakness from the first time I saw him.
And on HoSang:
That assessment is bang on for JHS. It perfectly describes my observation of his biggest weakness from the first time I saw him.
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