Owen Sound Attack 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[PensFan101]

When was the last time DeGray said we had a stud Dman from Germany coming here that never showed? Cough, Moritz Seider. Before that, he told us Sergei Samsonov was gonna report, again no-show. Point being, don't hold your breath, but remain hopeful is the best way to look at it. It is a total gamble. Earlier, on this board, it was alluded to that both Imports had indicated to our always forthcoming and knowledgeable GM that they were reporting. That could simply be the agent feeding him you know what. So, let's hope for two of them, and realistically be happy if we get one, because the new coaches are gonna need all the help they can get.

Personally, I would have went with a more "safe" pick like Sudbury did after we picked the Russian kid when they grabbed Simon Nemec's younger brother. You know he wants to play here in the best junior league in the world and his older brother is already in the show here and nearby to assist culturally and personally. Just my opinion.

Was there ever anything official from DeGray that he thought Seider was coming over? As far as I know that was a true flyer pick in the hopes that an NHL team drafts him and sends him to Canada, as he was under contract to Mannheim.

Obviously the point still stands (many fans will remember the soap opera with Tomas Kana in 2006-2007), but Bleicher is definitely a different situation as he's the property of a little third division team, not an expected regular for the best club team in the country.

 

[Stellar29]

When was the last time DeGray said we had a stud Dman from Germany coming here that never showed? Cough, Moritz Seider. Before that, he told us Sergei Samsonov was gonna report, again no-show. Point being, don't hold your breath, but remain hopeful is the best way to look at it. It is a total gamble. Earlier, on this board, it was alluded to that both Imports had indicated to our always forthcoming and knowledgeable GM that they were reporting. That could simply be the agent feeding him you know what. So, let's hope for two of them, and realistically be happy if we get one, because the new coaches are gonna need all the help they can get.

Personally, I would have went with a more "safe" pick like Sudbury did after we picked the Russian kid when they grabbed Simon Nemec's younger brother. You know he wants to play here in the best junior league in the world and his older brother is already in the show here and nearby to assist culturally and personally. Just my opinion.

Owen Sound took "safe" picks in Luc Schweingruber and Martin Matejicek with their last two import picks, neither of whom made any impact. You can't hit homeruns by bunting. I appreciate the team/organization taking a swing this year. I have to think they are pretty confident they got one of them at least. If they strike out on both picks then the choices are totally fair game for complaints.

 

[Stellar29]

Was there ever anything official from DeGray that he thought Seider was coming over? As far as I know that was a true flyer pick in the hopes that an NHL team drafts him and sends him to Canada, as he was under contract to Mannheim.

Obviously the point still stands (many fans will remember the soap opera with Tomas Kana in 2006-2007), but Bleicher is definitely a different situation as he's the property of a little third division team, not an expected regular for the best club team in the country.

You're right. They knew up front it was a big swing on Seider. As you pointed out though, totally not a fair comparison for Bleicher.

 

[AttackBeacher]

When was the last time DeGray said we had a stud Dman from Germany coming here that never showed? Cough, Moritz Seider. Before that, he told us Sergei Samsonov was gonna report, again no-show. Point being, don't hold your breath, but remain hopeful is the best way to look at it. It is a total gamble. Earlier, on this board, it was alluded to that both Imports had indicated to our always forthcoming and knowledgeable GM that they were reporting. That could simply be the agent feeding him you know what. So, let's hope for two of them, and realistically be happy if we get one, because the new coaches are gonna need all the help they can get.

Personally, I would have went with a more "safe" pick like Sudbury did after we picked the Russian kid when they grabbed Simon Nemec's younger brother. You know he wants to play here in the best junior league in the world and his older brother is already in the show here and nearby to assist culturally and personally. Just my opinion.

Well, to be fair, they knew Sieder was not coming over, it was a roll of the dice.

Max Bleicher wechselt über den großen Teich » EV Füssen

Für einen Spieler aus unserem Nachwuchs geht ein Traum in Erfüllung. Verteidiger Max Bleicher wird bereits im August nach Ontario wechseln und seine Karriere damit in Kanada fortsetzen. Eine riesige Chance für das 17 Jahre alte Eigengewächs des EV Füssen und natürlich eine Auszeichnung für den...

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His German team seems to believe that he is coming to the OHL, so why are we worried?

 

[Stellar29]

Well, to be fair, they knew Sieder was not coming over, it was a roll of the dice.

Max Bleicher wechselt über den großen Teich » EV Füssen

Für einen Spieler aus unserem Nachwuchs geht ein Traum in Erfüllung. Verteidiger Max Bleicher wird bereits im August nach Ontario wechseln und seine Karriere damit in Kanada fortsetzen. Eine riesige Chance für das 17 Jahre alte Eigengewächs des EV Füssen und natürlich eine Auszeichnung für den...

evfuessen.de

His German team seems to believe that he is coming to the OHL, so why are we worried?

That's an interesting article. Definitely would appear he will be on his way to Owen Sound.

 

[PensFan101]

Well, to be fair, they knew Sieder was not coming over, it was a roll of the dice.

Max Bleicher wechselt über den großen Teich » EV Füssen

Für einen Spieler aus unserem Nachwuchs geht ein Traum in Erfüllung. Verteidiger Max Bleicher wird bereits im August nach Ontario wechseln und seine Karriere damit in Kanada fortsetzen. Eine riesige Chance für das 17 Jahre alte Eigengewächs des EV Füssen und natürlich eine Auszeichnung für den...

evfuessen.de

His German team seems to believe that he is coming to the OHL, so why are we worried?

Nice find from their website! That article 100% confirms he's coming over. Also shoutout to whoever wrote that article, as they note that Owen Sound has sent over 40 kids to the NHL since 1989 - did their research.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Nice find from their website! That article 100% confirms he's coming over. Also shoutout to whoever wrote that article, as they note that Owen Sound has sent over 40 kids to the NHL since 1989 - did their research.

Thanks.

I’m just a bit confused as to why it was an issue? When the attack take a player in the import draft that they actually need, not a flyer like Sieder, when have they not shown up? I can’t remember any in the last 10 years.

You can certainly argue player skills of those players, but they generally always show up don’t they?

 

[Sounder76]

If they "knew Seider wasn't coming over", why bother "rolling the dice"?

They didn't know that. If the right situation came up, I bet he would have been here, sorry in London or Barrie or Sudbury or Kitchener etc. Point being, you don't "know" anything with Import players, because they are kids and they can change their minds. There are other factors in play that can alter the decision so much making it a fluid situation at best. Again, I hope both kids hit the ice late August at the Lum, just not going to be surprised when I see one or none there.

 

[PensFan101]

Thanks.

I’m just a bit confused as to why it was an issue? When the attack take a player in the import draft that they actually need, not a flyer like Sieder, when have they not shown up? I can’t remember any in the last 10 years.

You can certainly argue player skills of those players, but they generally always show up don’t they?

Typically yes they have shown up. The Attack under DeGray have an excellent track record of getting players over, even if they don't work out.

If they "knew Seider wasn't coming over", why bother "rolling the dice"?

They didn't know that. If the right situation came up, I bet he would have been here, sorry in London or Barrie or Sudbury or Kitchener etc. Point being, you don't "know" anything with Import players, because they are kids and they can change their minds. There are other factors in play that can alter the decision so much making it a fluid situation at best. Again, I hope both kids hit the ice late August at the Lum, just not going to be surprised when I see one or none there.

Teams do that all the time, especially at the time I believe because you could protect a 3rd import's rights if they were a first round NHL pick. Seider was looked at as a possible first rounder even then. Sometimes it works out and a high end player gets picked by an NHL club, they sign them, and then get assigned.

Seider was so good the odds were incredibly low he would have come over even for London. Seider played a Top 4 role on the DEL Champions in his draft year, in the AHL at 19, SHL (and dominated it) at 20, and NHL at 21. Most kids aren't that good though.

The import draft is pretty cooked and teams often have an idea of who might show up. Again, that article Beacher found from Fuessen's website confirms Bleicher is going to show up. Varosyan is a wildcard for sure. And maybe he won't come. But he was also a second round import pick. If only Bleicher comes, and Varosyan heads west to say St. Petersburg or Moscow, then the Attack draft a new guy round 1 next year.

The guy to watch this year that would fall under the "pray and hope it works out" is Emil Hemming to Barrie. Day after the import draft his agent poured cold water on the idea of him showing up. But a couple weeks later, Dallas signs him and all of a sudden they decide where he goes.

 

[OHL4Life]

If they "knew Seider wasn't coming over", why bother "rolling the dice"?

They didn't know that. If the right situation came up, I bet he would have been here, sorry in London or Barrie or Sudbury or Kitchener etc. Point being, you don't "know" anything with Import players, because they are kids and they can change their minds. There are other factors in play that can alter the decision so much making it a fluid situation at best. Again, I hope both kids hit the ice late August at the Lum, just not going to be surprised when I see one or none there.

see what Sudbury did with Dvrovsky, oshawa just did with Svozil and Brantford just did with Jiricek.

yoy take him a year before his draft year, put him in your pocket and wait. It’s a lottery ticket because it does not limit your ability to roster 2 import players, and gives you a freebie for. The road.

all those players listed above were not coming when they were drafted, a year later the nhl teams directed them there. smart.

Typically yes they have shown up. The Attack under DeGray have an excellent track record of getting players over, even if they don't work out.


Teams do that all the time, especially at the time I believe because you could protect a 3rd import's rights if they were a first round NHL pick. Seider was looked at as a possible first rounder even then. Sometimes it works out and a high end player gets picked by an NHL club, they sign them, and then get assigned.

Seider was so good the odds were incredibly low he would have come over even for London. Seider played a Top 4 role on the DEL Champions in his draft year, in the AHL at 19, SHL (and dominated it) at 20, and NHL at 21. Most kids aren't that good though.

The import draft is pretty cooked and teams often have an idea of who might show up. Again, that article Beacher found from Fuessen's website confirms Bleicher is going to show up. Varosyan is a wildcard for sure. And maybe he won't come. But he was also a second round import pick. If only Bleicher comes, and Varosyan heads west to say St. Petersburg or Moscow, then the Attack draft a new guy round 1 next year.

The guy to watch this year that would fall under the "pray and hope it works out" is Emil Hemming to Barrie. Day after the import draft his agent poured cold water on the idea of him showing up. But a couple weeks later, Dallas signs him and all of a sudden they decide where he goes.

baed On that you probably can assume they are coming,

 

[KFawcett]

When was the last time DeGray said we had a stud Dman from Germany coming here that never showed? Cough, Moritz Seider. Before that, he told us Sergei Samsonov was gonna report, again no-show. Point being, don't hold your breath, but remain hopeful is the best way to look at it. It is a total gamble. Earlier, on this board, it was alluded to that both Imports had indicated to our always forthcoming and knowledgeable GM that they were reporting. That could simply be the agent feeding him you know what. So, let's hope for two of them, and realistically be happy if we get one, because the new coaches are gonna need all the help they can get.

Personally, I would have went with a more "safe" pick like Sudbury did after we picked the Russian kid when they grabbed Simon Nemec's younger brother. You know he wants to play here in the best junior league in the world and his older brother is already in the show here and nearby to assist culturally and personally. Just my opinion.

Not nitpicking but I'm to lazy to look it up but was Samsonov Dales pick I could have swore that was before his time here. The import draft is like playing the craps table at the casino. It's also not a true draft it's more of a recruiting session IMHO.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Not nitpicking but I'm too lazy to look it up but was Samsonov Dales pick I could have swore that was before his time here. The import draft is like playing the craps table at the casino. It's also not a true draft it's more of a recruiting session IMHO.

Based on elite prospects, Dale was playing in Manitoba when Samsanov was drafted into Owen Sound.

 

[KFawcett]

Based on elite prospects, Dale was playing in Manitoba when Samsanov was drafted into Owen Sound.

I thought it was before Dales time here. I guess my memory may not be as bad as I thought lol.

 

[Stellar29]

Elliot Arnett has signed with the Listowel Cyclones for next season. If he can't get playing time in Owen Sound then at least they have another option and we won't see a repeat of last year.

 

[ktownfan]

info out of kingston that Guindon is on his way here, not sure who or what is going to OS

 

[frontsfan67]

What can Kingston expect if the Guindon deal happens?

I haven’t watched much of Guindon but it seems he is a pass first player based off stats and if I can recall he’s pretty good defensively as well?

 

[Stellar29]

What can Kingston expect if the Guindon deal happens?

I haven’t watched much of Guindon but it seems he is a pass first player based off stats and if I can recall he’s pretty good defensively as well?

He's a solid two way center. Can win draws and PK. Primarily a puck distributor but he can shoot it too. Can be a puck carrier on zone entry for the PP. I believe he's capable of being a top scorer in the OHL but has to deal with the inconsistency in his game that has plagued him at times the past two seasons.

 

[frontsfan67]

He's a solid two way center. Can win draws and PK. Primarily a puck distributor but he can shoot it too. Can be a puck carrier on zone entry for the PP. I believe he's capable of being a top scorer in the OHL but has to deal with the inconsistency in his game that has plagued him at times the past two seasons.

Sounds a bit like ludwinski. Makes sense that the fronts to go and get Guindon then as it doesn’t seem like ludwinski is coming back.

 

[KFawcett]

What can Kingston expect if the Guindon deal happens?

I haven’t watched much of Guindon but it seems he is a pass first player based off stats and if I can recall he’s pretty good defensively as well?

I would add to what Stellar29 replied by adding that I have talked with Cedric pretty extensively and he is definitely a quality classy person off ice and will fit into pretty much any room. He doesn't have an ego or an I'm better attitude. I hate to see him go but I believe it's better for him and the Attack can add some assets so I will wish him well and hope to see him in Nov when the Attack Pak visit.

 

[Millpond]

Cedrick is a top quality guy, if he moves to Kingston you've got a good one .
Hopefully he had a breakout year whenever he plays, passes 30 goals and earns a pro tryout somewhere .

 

[frontsfan67]

Cedrick is a top quality guy, if he moves to Kingston you've got a good one .
Hopefully he had a breakout year whenever he plays, passes 30 goals and earns a pro tryout somewhere

Assuming the deal doesn’t fall through I’d expect him and Battaglia to put up big numbers together. Works out perfectly. Got a goal scorer and a goal distributor. Battaglia is bound for 40+ goals, probably 80+ points that was my guess even before I knew they’re getting a good guy like Guindon.

I assume Guindon will have a similar amount of points but maybe be a 30g 50a guy. If he does that with his good 2 way play and the fronts do something in the playoffs I don’t see a scenario where he doesn’t end up with atleast a 1 year deal to the AHL.

 

[Savard18]

Assuming the deal doesn’t fall through I’d expect him and Battaglia to put up big numbers together. Works out perfectly. Got a goal scorer and a goal distributor. Battaglia is bound for 40+ goals, probably 80+ points that was my guess even before I knew they’re getting a good guy like Guindon.

I assume Guindon will have a similar amount of points but maybe be a 30g 50a guy. If he does that with his good 2 way play and the fronts do something in the playoffs I don’t see a scenario where he doesn’t end up with atleast a 1 year deal to the AHL.

Guindon and the Attack as a whole last year didn’t perform at near the level I expected. During the 22/23 season and playoffs I was thinking he and Barlow were going to be absolutely scary in 23/24 and 24/25. If he ends up in Kingston with the right linemates it won’t surprise me one bit if a change in scenery leaves him annihilating the Eastern Conf.

 

[dirty12]

Guindon and the Attack as a whole last year didn’t perform at near the level I expected. During the 22/23 season and playoffs I was thinking he and Barlow were going to be absolutely scary in 23/24 and 24/25. If I’m he ends up in Kingston with the right linemates it won’t surprise me one bit if a change in scenery leaves him annihilating the Eastern Conf.

Guindon probably accumulates 90+ points as an OA with the wingers he will have in Kingston. But I am at the very least sceptical that he can defend his position against half of the eastern conference #1 lines.

 

[Savard18]

Guindon probably accumulates 90+ points as an OA with the wingers he will have in Kingston. But I am at the very least sceptical that he can defend his position against half of the eastern conference #1 lines.

I guess it is shaping up to be a pretty strong Conference this year but yeah, I expect him to be in the range of and toying with the upper end of 1.25/1.50 pts. a game this year.

 

[dirty12]

I guess it is shaping up to be a pretty strong Conference this year but yeah, I expect him to be in the range of and toying with the upper end of 1.25/1.50 pts. a game this year.

Relatively strong, stronger than the west division imo; but currently ‘06 and pick heavy, so not as strong as the eastern conference could be next season.

I could have expanded my post to note that Kingston is not among the top in terms of overall team defence. They will need big gains from Hopkins and McNamara if Guindon is the #1 centre.