Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[MacMacandBarbie]

What is 08 Ovechkin level defense? Is that where you're on the ice for 67 non-power play goals against despite playing in front of an AHL caliber blue line and terrible goal tenders? Whereas Crosby was on the ice for 73 and 75 non PP goals against in the subsequent 2 seasons despite playing in front of a hall of fame goal tender and a decent group of defensemen?

It’s where you float at the blue line waiting for a break out pass, are the last man back on defense, and your line is constructed specifically to account for your defensive deficiencies.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It’s where you float at the blue line waiting for a break out pass, are the last man back on defense, and your line is constructed specifically to account for your defensive deficiencies.

lol that's how the Pens treat Crosby - which is why he played with Kunitz and Dupuis but pretty much never Phil Kessel.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Crosby was excellent defensively. Did you watch the games?

Crosby had little to no defensive responsibilities and he didn't penalty kill either.

His supporters claimed he was focusing more on defense to compensate right when he was no longer a contender for the Art Ross (helluva coincidence), but the data shows that his deployments actually were either unchanged or geared more towards offense after that, and his penalty killing became non-existent aside from hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers got the final clear.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

His supporters claimed he was focusing more on defense to compensate right when he was no longer a contender for the Art Ross (helluva coincidence)

Actually when he started getting Selke votes and praise from respected analysts for his two way play was when his supporters found it appropriate to give him praise. Shocking.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Crosby was excellent defensively. Did you watch the games? He was in the mix for the Selke the entire season that year and finished 7th.

I guess you and a handful of Crosby detractors know more than the people who vote on these things. A miracle that the entire media conspired to vote on and discuss Crosby’s selke level defense despite him being actually really bad.

He got 4% of the votes, less than half of what a 36 year old Joe Thornton got lol. Something like 15 total votes for anything between 1st and 5th place. That's not "in the mix", that's barely "honorable mention".

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

He got 4% of the votes, less than half of what a 36 year old Joe Thornton got lol. Something like 15 total votes for anything between 1st and 5th place. That's not "in the mix", that's barely "honorable mention".

You don’t get selke votes and brought up in conversations regarding it if you’re bad defensively. Pretty simple.

 

[Midnight Judges]

You don’t get selke votes and brought up in conversations regarding it if you’re bad defensively. Pretty simple.

Crosby did, and he sucks defensively.

Ovechkin got Selke votes in 2008 BTW.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You don’t get selke votes and brought up in conversations regarding it if you’re bad defensively. Pretty simple.

His career best is only slightly behind Radek Faksa's the next year, I will grant you that Crosby at his defensive peak was only slightly worse than a 3C.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Crosby did, and he sucks defensively.

Ovechkin got Selke votes in 2008 BTW.

Crosby has been getting votes consistently for years. This isn’t a one off fluke thing.

 

[chi777]

Crosby was excellent defensively. Did you watch the games? He was in the mix for the Selke the entire season that year and finished 7th.

I guess you and a handful of Crosby detractors know more than the people who vote on these things. A miracle that the entire media conspired to vote on and discuss Crosby’s selke level defense despite him being actually really bad.

Crosby was never "in the mix" for teh Selke. He got 73 votes. Kopitar, who won, got over 1100. Crosby finished 2 spots behind Joe Thornton who got more than twice as may votes.

 

[PostBradMalone]

You don’t get selke votes and brought up in conversations regarding it if you’re bad defensively. Pretty simple.

You can get a paltry number of Selke votes pretty easily in fact, as already shown by the gulf between Kopitar and Crosby. And “brought up in conversations” by Pens fans doesn’t make him elite defensively either. This is a myth that needs to die.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Crosby was never "in the mix" for teh Selke. He got 73 votes. Kopitar, who won, got over 1100. Crosby finished 2 spots behind Joe Thornton who got more than twice as may votes.

He was in selke conversations that whole year.

You can get a paltry number of Selke votes pretty easily in fact, as already shown by the gulf between Kopitar and Crosby. And “brought up in conversations” by Pens fans doesn’t make him elite defensively either. This is a myth that needs to die.

It was brought up by numerous analysts all year. He was praised for his defensive play unanimously despite not winning the selke. This revisionist history to pretend Crosby was bad at defense during those cup runs is what needs to die.

 

[ottawa]

Just scored 27/807

I think 50 is looking pretty safe at this point...that would take him to 830

 

[AD1066]

Ovi is inevitable.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

With goal #807, Alex Ovechkin is Donald Brashear goals away from tying Wayne Gretzky.

Couldn’t think of anyone else who wears #87, sorry

 

[kugelbahn]

This is like soccer set piece. Imagine there is somebody who could cleanly win faceoffs like 20% of the time. Unstoppable when it happens.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Plenty of places to talk about Sidney Crosby around here. Choose a place other than this place.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Just scored 27/807

I think 50 is looking pretty safe at this point...that would take him to 830

And sole possession of the record for most 50 goal seasons. Which he would likely already have were it not for Covid, but it is what it is.

 

[gtrower]

I think today is the first day where I’ve felt like 1,000 isn’t impossible. Like still incredibly unlikely. But non-zero. B/c it’s starting to feel like 50+ per year through the rest of the contract (given everything you going right with health, quality of team, and league scoring) isn’t 100% beyond the realm of what is possible in this world.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Also such a complete player. Underrated D.

 

[norrisnick]

Like... how do you just lose track of this guy?

 

[Randyne]

808!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ViD]

RMNB

 

[hockeykicker]

how was he that wide open? like where was everyone

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

With goal #808, Alex Ovechkin is Nikita Kucherov goals away from tying Wayne Gretzky.