Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[MacMacandBarbie]

If Lemieux is on Gretzky's level, then Kucherov is on Crosby's level. (Kucherov's peak season is equal or greater than Crosby's).

But they aren't, and the thing that separates them is longevity.

Lemieux has 3 MVPs to Gretzky's 9. It's not even close.

You are mixing longevity with consistency. Mario is on Gretzky’s level because he consistently performed as such, but lacks longevity due to injuries. While Kucherov has injury issues as well, he isn’t on Crosby’s level because even when healthy, he hasn’t performed to the same level as Crosby as consistently.

 

[Herregud]

I hope he doesn't break the record. He's too one-dimensionally offensive, likes shooting too much. Gretzky scored the most while simulataneously having more assists than any other players has points, I'd like this record to be held by the more complete player.

He's 10th in the league in total assists among active players with an eight-year handicap to Marleau and a three-year one to Spezza. So.

 

[powerstuck]

I hope he doesn't break the record. He's too one-dimensionally offensive, likes shooting too much. Gretzky scored the most while simulataneously having more assists than any other players has points, I'd like this record to be held by the more complete player.

Just like Gretzky and Lemieux both played in eras where goalies could let in anywhere between 5 and 10 goals a night and it was ''normal''. Just to even be this close to the record is a feat in it self.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Gosh, it's like a ghost town in here.

Keep hitting those milestones, Ovi.

 

[paracord]

If Lemieux is on Gretzky's level, then Kucherov is on Crosby's level. (Kucherov's peak season is equal or greater than Crosby's).

But they aren't, and the thing that separates them is longevity.

Lemieux has 3 MVPs to Gretzky's 9. It's not even close.

"Lemieux is massively overrated" is one of the most ridiculous statements ever posted on this forum. Sorry, but I'll bet most agree with me.

No one will ever get the stats Gretzky got unless they go back to stick figure stand-up goalies or they increase the size of the nets, but Lemieux is every bit the scorer he was, and a better goal scorer. He just didn't play as much. Even Gretzky himself admitted he was looking for Mario to take the shots in the 87 Canada Cup because he was the better shooter.

Emmitt Smith has all the stats but Jim Brown has an argument for best ever.

And as for MVPs, give the 88-89 trophy to Lemieux. Gretzky won it despite having THIRTY fewer goals than Lemieux, while Lemieux scored 199 points! There was a bit of bias there, just because he was traded to LA!

If you think Kucherov/Crosby is analogous to Lemieux/Gretzky, I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[Midnight Judges]

And as for MVPs, give the 88-89 trophy to Lemieux. Gretzky won it despite having THIRTY fewer goals than Lemieux, while Lemieux scored 199 points! There was a bit of bias there, just because he was traded to LA!

Okay so then Gretzky *only* has twice as many MVPs, and they're still not remotely close.

 

[M2Beezy]

Ovechkin has become my favourite hockey player over the years. He has managed to maintain such an elite level over so many years. I wish I watched hockey in his earlier years. Its been fun watching him chase the goals record

Undisputed favourite player

 

[Frosty415]

Ovechkin has become my favourite hockey player over the years. He has managed to maintain such an elite level over so many years. I wish I watched hockey in his earlier years. Its been fun watching him chase the goals record

Undisputed favourite player

My favorite Cup win the last decade

 

[Arthur Morgan]

OV sucks..... no just kidding he's so good I can see him playing well into his 40s. guys a Monster. That shot will be effective for a long long LONG time still. just depends how his body holds up. I get the feeling hes a gym nut(I have no clue though)
I feel like Gretzky's record's days are numbered

 

[Weztex]

Just like Gretzky and Lemieux both played in eras where goalies could let in anywhere between 5 and 10 goals a night and it was ''normal''. Just to even be this close to the record is a feat in it self.

There was 15 861 NHL games played between Gretzky's rookie season (1980) and Lemieux's first retirement (1997). Over those 18 seasons, only 8 times a goalie allowed 10 goals in a game. In the same time span, the average goal per games was at 3.48. So allowing 5-10 goals a night was certainly not ''normal''.

As of now GPG is at 2.84. So on average, teams are now scoring 0.64 more goals than during the bulk of Wayne and Mario's career. Yes scoring was higher back then but let's not go overboard in the underrating of Gretzky and Lemieux's numbers.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

There was 15 861 NHL games played between Gretzky's rookie season (1980) and Lemieux's first retirement (1997). Over those 18 seasons, only 8 times a goalie allowed 10 goals in a game. In the same time span, the average goal per games was at 3.48. So allowing 5-10 goals a night was certainly not ''normal''.

As of now GPG is at 2.84. So on average, teams are now scoring 0.64 more goals than during the bulk of Wayne and Mario's career. Yes scoring was higher back then but let's not go overboard in the underrating of Gretzky and Lemieux's numbers.

Usually a goalie gets pulled well before he approaches 10 GA...

 

[Bradely]

Just like Gretzky and Lemieux both played in eras where goalies could let in anywhere between 5 and 10 goals a night and it was ''normal''. Just to even be this close to the record is a feat in it self.

At the same time, you had a trailer hooking you and a bulldozer giving you hard Sherwood wood! All this with no space.... on the ice. Big bodies, red line etc...IMO, alot of today's smurph player might not do a year in those years!

 

[Weztex]

Usually a goalie gets pulled well before he approaches 10 GA...

Yes. And that wouldn’t be the case if allowing 5-10 goals was the norm…

 

[LokiDog]

Ovie will likely finish 1st in goals, inside the top 50 in assists and close to, if not inside, the top 10 in points. I don’t think it’s “too one dimensional” to be the #1 goal scorer of all time and still inside the top 50 for assists of all time.

 

[53or8]

At the same time, you had a trailer hooking you and a bulldozer giving you hard Sherwood wood! All this with no space.... on the ice. Big bodies, red line etc...IMO, alot of today's smurph player might not do a year in those years!

Alot of those guys were dummies couldn't carve like they can these days

 

[nowhereman]

My favorite Cup win the last decade

OV lifting the Cup for the first time is probably the most emotional moment for me since Sakic handing off the Cup to Bourque. His passion is pure magic.

 

[wetcoast]

Ovie will likely finish 1st in goals, inside the top 50 in assists and close to, if not inside, the top 10 in points. I don’t think it’s “too one dimensional” to be the #1 goal scorer of all time and still inside the top 50 for assists of all time.

Phil Espsotio also had alot of assists doesn't mean he was a playmaker but any means.

The fact of the matter is that both Phil And Alexander take way more SOG than any other players during their times in the NHL and when compared to other players they are more one dimensional than say Gretzky, Mario, Crosby for starters.

 

[Herregud]

Phil Espsotio also had alot of assists doesn't mean he was a playmaker but any means.

The fact of the matter is that both Phil And Alexander take way more SOG than any other players during their times in the NHL and when compared to other players they are more one dimensional than say Gretzky, Mario, Crosby for starters.

You can't be "more" one dimensional. You're either one dimensional or you're not. You can say he's more of a shooter than a passer and I don't think anyone would contest that point, but Alex Ovechkin is not one dimensional.

 

[wetcoast]

You can't be "more" one dimensional. You're either one dimensional or you're not. You can say he's more of a shooter than a passer and I don't think anyone would contest that point, but Alex Ovechkin is not one dimensional.

Sure in a literal sense but I gave examples to point out that we are probably saying the same thing even if the term one dimensional is a bit clumsy here.

 

[daver]

People around him = such care, such comfort, such genuine
People away from him = some very fine people (goalscorers) did some things (goals) to some people (goalies). I hope they stop soon (goal record belongs to me)

Ovechkin will hit 900 goals, 1 shot 1 goal for each time a goalie gets lit up. His name will go down in history, top 5 player of all time.

Nope, if it isn't there already, it is not going to be. He needs more MVP/Lindsay worthy seasons on his resume.

 

[chauron]

Maybe he could retire early and go back to Russia like Kovatshuk, that’d be something.

 

[Hockeyholic]

He's already undoubtedly a top 10 player in NHL history. Another cup for sure puts him in the top 5 imo. And he may not need another cup if he surpasses 99's goal totals.

Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Ovi
Howe
Hasek
Messier
Crosby
Richard
Beliveau

 

[TooManyHumans]

Ovechkin has been on the ice for 96% of the Caps power play time this season. That's insane. Lol. I wouldn't even think it would be possible.

 

[shtorm2005]

Ovechkin has been on the ice for 96% of the Caps power play time this season. That's insane. Lol. I wouldn't even think it would be possible.

Why it's insane? Most of times, it's first unit of PP that scores.

 

[wetcoast]

People around him = such care, such comfort, such genuine
People away from him = some very fine people (goalscorers) did some things (goals) to some people (goalies). I hope they stop soon (goal record belongs to me)

Ovechkin will hit 900 goals, 1 shot 1 goal for each time a goalie gets lit up. His name will go down in history, top 5 player of all time.

Nice work there buddy I appreciate it and while the goal scoring chase was interesting I bet alot of people will look more closely at the dropoff overall as a player and everything he brings to the table.