HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: Off-Season Edition

[OldCraig71]

I think the Leafs might get better in two years when Tavares comes off the books.

I don't think they win anything with the current core, they don't have the extra gear required for playoff hockey, subtracting JT will help but they need to win show improvement now but I don't see it happening.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Might have been posted already

 

[salbutera]

I don't think they win anything with the current core, they don't have the extra gear required for playoff hockey, subtracting JT will help but they need to win show improvement now but I don't see it happening.

Treliving was rumored to have made a significant offer for Anderson while Cgy GM & in theory Leafs could use an Anderson type veteran player with proven playoff history of success… I do wonder if HuGo could manage a Knies for Anderson swap near deadline?

 

[Whitesnake]

Even if you’re truly not winning anything?

Because the Habs didn’t win a damn thing using PD and KK the way the did. All they did was inflate the value of PDs eventual contract that they ultimately didn’t want to pay.

Once you commit to graduating an 18 year old, you have to play him and play him a lot.

Well not defending the old management, but in the 2 years you mentioned, we made the playoffs once, and went to the Cup Finals another. Which for us, it's a feature in itself. So we keep hearing about hindsight....that's an analysis based on hindsight. I mean...imagine we win the Cup.....personnally, I still believe KK would have been used wrong....but Danault's play helped us win.

KK should not have been in the NHL. Once he was, he should have been a permanent fixture on a 3rd and 4th line. With some time on the PP. So you gradually bring him in. Danault leaves....you tell KK that you have confidence he does the job. And he does. Though that remains to be seen 'cause we don't know who his wingers would have been.

Unless you are an exceptional, you either don't start at 18. Or you don't play regularly. I see no problem being slowly brought up. Problem with KK is that the mixed messages between...you are good enough to start in the NHL at 18....but...you are bad enough to not be dressed. Clearly the communication wasn't good. And we paid the price. And frankly, while KK will now start to progress....chances are he misread his own talent as he underrated his game and will be the most underpaid player in the NHL...lol

 

[the valiant effort]

Perhaps the biggest issue with the Leafs organization is that they still think they’re the only team in the NHL with ~4 elite players.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Treliving was rumored to have made a significant offer for Anderson while Cgy GM & in theory Leafs could use an Anderson type veteran player with proven playoff history of success… I do wonder if HuGo could manage a Knies for Anderson swap near deadline?

Leafs would be braindead to make that trade.

 

[417]

Well not defending the old management, but in the 2 years you mentioned, we made the playoffs once, and went to the Cup Finals another. Which for us, it's a feature in itself. So we keep hearing about hindsight....that's an analysis based on hindsight. I mean...imagine we win the Cup.....personnally, I still believe KK would have been used wrong....but Danault's play helped us win.

It's more like 4 years and some of those years we missed the playoffs, had a magical run to the Stanley Cup, how much of that is directly attributable to how they used Danault?

Hell the Cup run, KK got shuffled around yet found a way to score big goals. They even broke up Danault’s line by healthy scratching Tatar.

KK should not have been in the NHL. Once he was, he should have been a permanent fixture on a 3rd and 4th line. With some time on the PP. So you gradually bring him in. Danault leaves....you tell KK that you have confidence he does the job. And he does. Though that remains to be seen 'cause we don't know who his wingers would have been.

Unless you are an exceptional, you either don't start at 18. Or you don't play regularly. I see no problem being slowly brought up. Problem with KK is that the mixed messages between...you are good enough to start in the NHL at 18....but...you are bad enough to not be dressed. Clearly the communication wasn't good. And we paid the price. And frankly, while KK will now start to progress....chances are he misread his own talent as he underrated his game and will be the most underpaid player in the NHL...lol

This.

It was terrible asset management and it ultimately cost them both players.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

The crowd is so dead in Chicago, you can hear everything the players are saying.

 

[Redux91]

I think the Leafs might get better in two years when Tavares comes off the books.

Yeah you don't get it
They need to re-sign Nylander at 10+ Mill now tho
They're already in trouble to keep one of Nylander or Marner before they have to worry about Tavares
And you dont get better by losing PPG players. Much as I dislike Tavares anyway

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

The cap is not moving quickly enough to match player salary requests. This might be by design which forces team to not be able to sign all their talented players, who then can go to other teams.

The Leafs/Oilers formula of having 4 elite players and jank down the roster is obviously not working. Imo it's best to have one elite player and the rest spread out with solid, but not elite. The only other way this might work is if you happen to more elite players on RFA deals. But that only happens when tanking for several years and only for a very short window (Tampa comes to mind).

 

[Scintillating10]

Yeah with 3 young RD prospects maybe we can draft another one in 2024

More than likely. He took Slaf first overall and passed on Michkov. Same guy who picked Andersson and Kravtsov.

 

[Scintillating10]

Holly Molly, Sharks still haven't won a game? Barely got one into OT?
And got blown out with 10 goals against each in their last two games!

The Habs with mostly an AHL roster were better than that last year.

Sharks will beat us

 

[DAChampion]

The cap is not moving quickly enough to match player salary requests. This might be by design which forces team to not be able to sign all their talented players, who then can go to other teams.

The Leafs/Oilers formula of having 4 elite players and jank down the roster is obviously not working. Imo it's best to have one elite player and the rest spread out with solid, but not elite. The only other way this might work is if you happen to more elite players on RFA deals. But that only happens when tanking for several years and only for a very short window (Tampa comes to mind).

It w

The cap is not moving quickly enough to match player salary requests. This might be by design which forces team to not be able to sign all their talented players, who then can go to other teams.

The Leafs/Oilers formula of having 4 elite players and jank down the roster is obviously not working. Imo it's best to have one elite player and the rest spread out with solid, but not elite. The only other way this might work is if you happen to more elite players on RFA deals. But that only happens when tanking for several years and only for a very short window (Tampa comes to mind).

Honestly in the case of the Leafs I think it's that their core four are simply not very good.

Matthews is paid like a top-1 player in the league, he's nowhere close v

 

[Shred]

The Leafs/Oilers formula of having 4 elite players and jank down the roster is obviously not working.

Oilers aren’t paying Draisaitl an elite player salary and don’t have 2 other players in that category. They do have a lot of jank and a massively overpaid Darnell Nurse, courtesy of former superstar agent Kent Hughes.

 

[ReHabs]

The Oilers and Leafs suffered unduly by the flat cap.

I wish them nothing but misery but we cannot afford to laugh at them when we haven’t been excited by an 80pt player on the Habs in a very long time.

 

[NotProkofievian]

The Oilers are really a tragic story. 2 absolutely unbelievable players, and f*** all else.

 

[ReHabs]

The Oilers are really a tragic story. 2 absolutely unbelievable players, and f*** all else.

What would you offer for Drai right now if he was made available?

 

[Deebs]

What would you offer for Drai right now if he was made available?

Does that include an extension?

 

[ReHabs]

Does that include an extension?

No. Extension is the least of concerns, Drai will get whatever contract he wants.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What would you offer for Drai right now if he was made available?

Suzuki, Raimaker, Allen and whatever else

 

[ReHabs]

Suzuki, Raimaker, Allen and whatever else

I think they’d come back with

Suzuki
Guhle
Mailloux
Allen
1st

Vs

Drai
Campbell
(+ Random junk)

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think they’d come back with

Suzuki
Guhle
Mailloux
Allen
1st

Vs

Drai
Campbell
(+ Random junk)

If that's the Calgary first and switch Mailloux for Matheson, I'd say yes, if Drai is re-signed. At worst switch Allen for Monty.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The Oilers are really a tragic story. 2 absolutely unbelievable players, and f*** all else.

Yep, getting elite forwards is only part of the puzzle.. you sure as hell want them, but you can't only have them.

The Oilers learned that overpaying mediocre players for production buoyed by those talents, and overpaying bad goalies and defenseman, and bit players, really hurts you.

The Leafs are a similar story, they have more depth up front by having 4 star talents vs. the 2 generational scorers, but their downfall is that those 4 players have no balls.

 

[Tyson]

Yep, getting elite forwards is only part of the puzzle.. you sure as hell want them, but you can't only have them.

The Oilers learned that overpaying mediocre players for production buoyed by those talents, and overpaying bad goalies and defenseman, and bit players, really hurts you.

The Leafs are a similar story, they have more depth up front by having 4 star talents vs. the 2 generational scorers, but their downfall is that those 4 players have no balls.

When it comes to Toronto it has become obvious year after year that their "magnificent 4" simply can't get it done.
Keep bringing in scrubs to try and make it work year after year and it fails miserably.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Yep, getting elite forwards is only part of the puzzle.. you sure as hell want them, but you can't only have them.

The Oilers learned that overpaying mediocre players for production buoyed by those talents, and overpaying bad goalies and defenseman, and bit players, really hurts you.

The Leafs are a similar story, they have more depth up front by having 4 star talents vs. the 2 generational scorers, but their downfall is that those 4 players have no balls.

I just can't believe how unable the Toronto Maple Leafs are to find the leadership necessary to take them over the top. Toronto's team is much better top to bottom than Edmonton, but Edmonton's the team that has gone further in the playoffs. A lot of that is Toronto just rolling over and dying.