HF Habs: Out Of Town Thread: 2024 Off-Season edition (Mod Warning #2635)

[LaP]

3 to 5 more years away from competing? That's going to make 6 to 8 year rebuild. That's a long while of terrible hockey.

Where did i talk about competing? He said there will be coping about Michkov. We are at least 3 years away from Reinbacher and Michkov being finished product. I've been watching this league for over 30 years and the amount of players i've seen doing great for 1-2 years at the beginning of their career and then after that flopping hard i don't have enough fingers to count them. A young player is not a finished product until he is at least 23. Coping this year about MIchkov doing good in the NHL and Reinbacher playing in the AHL is HABSolument Facebook trash material.

 

[ReHabs]

Where did i talk about competing? He said there will be coping about Michkov. We are at least 3 years away from Reinbacher and Michkov being finished product. I've been watching this league for over 30 years and the amount of players i've seen doing great for 2-3 years at the beginning of their career and then after that flopping hard i don't have enougb fingers to count them. A young player is not a finished product until he is at least 23. Coping this year about MIchkov doing good in the NHL and Reinbacher playing in the AHL is HABSolument Facebook trash material.

If Michkov burns the league in his rookie season the Habs will feel the sizzle. There's no way around it.

We don't need to thrash about or be upset or cope and mope about it. 23 is an arbitrary age you propose. The fact is they'll be compared from today.

We're on the ascent and it will bring a lot of joy but not every prospect is gonna hit his ceiling and we have to be at least mentally prepared that we'll have made some regretful decisions in our rebuild. I think the Toffoli trade was a regrettable trade... and I think we didn't do well on the Lehkonen trade -- but those are relatively minor decisions. Hopefully, if he's to fall "behind" Michkov, the gap between Reinbacher and Michkov remains narrow so we don't have to read much bleating, gloating, moaning, or coping.

Honestly, it comes with the game. We can only root for Reinbacher to help us win as much as he can -- and without turning on him or magnifying his deficiencies or problems more than reality.

 

[LaP]

If Michkov burns the league in his rookie season the Habs will feel the sizzle. There's no way around it.

We don't need to thrash about or be upset or cope and mope about it. 23 is an arbitrary age you propose. The fact is they'll be compared from today.

We're on the ascent and it will bring a lot of joy but not every prospect is gonna hit his ceiling and we have to be at least mentally prepared that we'll have made some regretful decisions in our rebuild. I think the Toffoli trade was a regrettable trade... and I think we didn't do well on the Lehkonen trade -- but those are relatively minor decisions. Hopefully, if he's to fall "behind" Michkov, the gap between Reinbacher and Michkov remains narrow so we don't have to read much bleating, gloating, moaning, or coping.

Honestly, it comes with the game. We can only root for Reinbacher to help us win as much as he can -- and without turning on him or magnifying his deficiencies or problems more than reality.

It depens what you mean by burning the league.

If Michkov finish with 80 points +10 and lead his team to a playoffs spot then yeah sure. If he finish the year with 60 points -25 in a team finishing bottom 10 then no there should not be any coping.

There was coping for about 30ish games last year when Cooley started the year strong and Slafkovski was still struggling. That aged wonderfully. And it could still age either way. Wright could still end up being the best player of that draft.

 

[ReHabs]

It depens what you mean by burning the league.

If Michkov finish with 80 points +10 and lead his team to a playoffs spot then yeah sure. If he finish the year with 60 points -25 in a team finishing bottom 10 then no there should not be any coping.

There was coping for about 30ish games last year when Cooley started the year strong and Slafkovski was still struggling. That aged wonderfully. And it could still age either way. Wright could still end up being the best player of that draft.

You're celebrating Slafkovsky's 50pt -19 sophomore season where his team finished bottom10 but insisting that no one react to a potential 60pt -25 season where his team finishes bottom 10 from Michkov.

It's this inconsistency that rankles me. It's so dishonest.

IF it happens... Flyers fans are gonna celebrate it and Habs fans are gonna cope and mope and the sad part is if Michkov struggles in any way Habs fans are gonna gloat and bleat. It's terrible unnecessary.

 

[LaP]

You're celebrating Slafkovsky's 50pt -19 sophomore season where his team finished bottom10 but insisting that no one react to a potential 60pt -25 season where his team finishes bottom 10 from Michkov.

It's this inconsistency that rankles me. It's so dishonest.

IF it happens... Flyers fans are gonna celebrate it and Habs fans are gonna cope and mope and the sad part is if Michkov struggles in any way Habs fans are gonna gloat and bleat. It's terrible unnecessary.

Of course i'm celebrating our own prospects making progress and so should Fyers fans. But did i say Arizona and Seattle should be coping? Nope. I even said Wright could still end up being the best player in the post you quoted. And i'm serious here Wright still go lot of potential and did well in the AHL.

Listen all i' saying for god M F sake is player are not finished propoduct until 23+ and any coping before that is HABSolument stupid. That's all. And i don't even understand why it's being argued against that's F crazy.

 

[sandviper]

If Michkov burns the league in his rookie season the Habs will feel the sizzle. There's no way around it.

We don't need to thrash about or be upset or cope and mope about it. 23 is an arbitrary age you propose. The fact is they'll be compared from today.

We're on the ascent and it will bring a lot of joy but not every prospect is gonna hit his ceiling and we have to be at least mentally prepared that we'll have made some regretful decisions in our rebuild. I think the Toffoli trade was a regrettable trade... and I think we didn't do well on the Lehkonen trade -- but those are relatively minor decisions. Hopefully, if he's to fall "behind" Michkov, the gap between Reinbacher and Michkov remains narrow so we don't have to read much bleating, gloating, moaning, or coping.

Honestly, it comes with the game. We can only root for Reinbacher to help us win as much as he can -- and without turning on him or magnifying his deficiencies or problems more than reality.

I'm more curious if there'll be either heavy criticism OR excuses made for Michkov if he doesn't torch the league. Let's just say he goes through long stretches or mediocrity and paces for 0.25 to 0.35 PPG. Will it be because of his attitude? Will it be Torts? Will his supporters come back and say wait until he's 23?

I don't hate or like the kid since I've yet to form an opinion on his NHL play, but we'll see.

 

[ReHabs]

I'm more curious if there'll be either heavy criticism OR excuses made for Michkov if he doesn't torch the league. Let's just say he goes through long stretches or mediocrity and paces for 0.25 to 0.35 PPG. Will it be because of his attitude? Will it be Torts? Will his supporters come back and say wait until he's 23?

I think there's a strain of Habs fans who will be extremely nasty about it like they were about Wright and even Lafreniere. It will embarrass us.

I don't hate or like the kid since I've yet to form an opinion on his NHL play, but we'll see.

I'm rooting for him but from the moment Reinbacher was picked I only care about Reinbacher's progress. It's not like with Slaf where I was a big-time disbeliever in the prospect and how he was handled. Reinbacher is a legitimate 5OA pick and he has great upside so even without taking into account Demidov, we don't need to do the inferiority complex and be obsessed about Michkov.

Of course i'm celebrating our own prospects making progress and so should Fyers fans. But did i say Arizona and Seattle should be coping? Nope. I even said Wright could still end up being the best player in the post you quoted. And i'm serious here Wright still go lot of potential and did well in the AHL.

Listen all i' saying for god M F sake is player are not finished propoduct until 23+ and any coping before that is HABSolument stupid. That's all. And i don't even understand why it's being argued against that's F crazy.

If Michkov hits 60 as a rookie, do you really think it would be irrational for some Habs fans to feel like we missed out?

I think it's perfectly rational to feel that way even if I, personally, have made my peace with the possibility (and want Michkov to succeed regardless).

 

[LaP]

If Michkov hits 60 as a rookie, do you really think it would be irrational for some Habs fans to feel like we missed out?

I think it's perfectly rational to feel that way even if I, personally, have made my peace with the possibility (and want Michkov to succeed regardless).

Yes. Because Reinbacher could still become a Pietrangelo like dman and Michkov could remain a weak defensive forward. Let's give another 2 years to Reinbacher before panicking please.

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838226370402349082

 

[Team_Spirit]

Day 1 of pre seasons, ECHLers on the prowl

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838052841312919914

 

[Prairie Habs]

Was listening to the Athletic hockey podcast and they were doing underrated and overrated team compared to their Vegas over/under lines. The first 3 teams they picked as underrated were the presidents trophy winning Rangers, the stanley cup winning Panthers, and first in the west Stars. All 3 teams made the third round last season. Real bold fellas...

After that they picked the Habs (great pick, obviously) then the Blackhawks, who they acknowledged had a line 21.5 points above where they finished last season, but they thought would have a greater improvement than 21.5 points.

 

[Miller Time]

Yes. Because Reinbacher could still become a Pietrangelo like dman and Michkov could remain a weak defensive forward. Let's give another 2 years to Reinbacher before panicking please.

You'd think that for anyone who follows the league closely, it would be obviously irrational to "feel like we missed out" on any player based on the first few years post draft.

I get the emotionality of it, we all get bursts of strong feelings when what we want right now is different than what is, but that's driven precisely by a lack of rationality.

If both MM & RB do solidify themselves as NHL regulars over the next few seasons, it still likely won't be until their mid 20s before we get a clear picture of their actualized NHL impact... Odds are as good or better that some other player picked after 4OA ends up better than both, those in a rush to feel bad about what we "missed" will almost always find what their looking for, perhaps that's where the logic lives lol

 

[LaP]

You'd think that for anyone who follows the league closely, it would be obviously irrational to "feel like we missed out" on any player based on the first few years post draft.

I get the emotionality of it, we all get bursts of strong feelings when what we want right now is different than what is, but that's driven precisely by a lack of rationality.

If both MM & RB do solidify themselves as NHL regulars over the next few seasons, it still likely won't be until their mid 20s before we get a clear picture of their actualized NHL impact... Odds are as good or better that some other player picked after 4OA ends up better than both, those in a rush to feel bad about what we "missed" will almost always find what their looking for, perhaps that's where the logic lives lol

Yep after the 2021-22 season it looked like Zegras would be much better than some guys drafted before him like Byram, Cozens or Dach. Today it's not so sure anymore i would not bet my house on it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Yep after the 2021-22 season it looked like Zegras would be much better than some guys drafted before him like Byram, Cozens or Dach. Today it's not so sure anymore i would not bet my house on it.

It always reminds me of how insufferable this board was when Perron made the NHL before Pacioretty.

Perron had a great career, but Pacioretty was the far superior player. It just took Pacioretty longer to get there.

Getting there first doesn't mean you'll do the best with your career.

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838281128345555156

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838285632981909742

 

[OnTheRun]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838281128345555156

Full schedule here:

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The live channel has yet to be added to their ghetto interface.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yep after the 2021-22 season it looked like Zegras would be much better than some guys drafted before him like Byram, Cozens or Dach. Today it's not so sure anymore i would not bet my house on it.

Why? Nothing has changed. He was trending towards 80+ pts until last season when he missed most of the season.

 

[Canadienna]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838297148892262482

Hot damn this looks good.

Love that they caught the "stop crying bro" from Nylander to Marner lol.

Also never seen McDavid lose it like that holy shit.

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838297148892262482

Hot damn this looks good.

Love that they caught the "stop crying bro" from Nylander to Marner lol.

Also never seen McDavid lose it like that holy shit.

It looks similar to the original 24/7 they used to show before they became more highly edited.

The schedule of the episodes

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838302213007118531

 

[bsl]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838008438539907556

It’s not a first goal. That will be in regular season

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838297148892262482

Hot damn this looks good.

Love that they caught the "stop crying bro" from Nylander to Marner lol.

Also never seen McDavid lose it like that holy shit.

Nylander is the only one who can say he's stepped up in the postseason for Toronto.

But him answering the question that way is dumb considering he's made it to the 2nd round a grand total of one time.

 

[LaP]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838297148892262482

Hot damn this looks good.

Love that they caught the "stop crying bro" from Nylander to Marner lol.

Also never seen McDavid lose it like that holy shit.

It's probably be a controversial take but i think Nylander has been their best player in playoffs the last few season.

BYW I'm looking at the schedule for tonight and i'm wondering if Utah is a hockey club? I'm confused it's not clear.

 

[LaP]

Nylander is the only one who can say he's stepped up in the postseason for Toronto.

But him answering the question that way is dumb considering he's made it to the 2nd round a grand total of one time.

He's right though. I remember a few years ago when we were 25 years without a cup final participation and our fans were posting charts that would put us top 10 in playoffs win and i was like who the **** care how many first rounds we won against unprepared teams because we finished 7th-8th. Getting past the 1st round doesn't matter. Only winning the cup does. You could make a compelling case that reaching the cup final is something or going to the semis lot of time but the 2nd round for me it's the same as the 1st round.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's right though.

Is he? When I think of big game players I don't think of William Nylander.

I remember a few years ago when we were 25 years without a cup final participation and our fans were posting charts that would put us top 10 in playoffs win and i was like who the **** care how many first rounds we won against unprepared teams because we finished 7th-8th. Getting past the 1st round doesn't matter. Only winning the cup does.

Sure. But our players weren't sitting there talking about what big game players they were... except maybe Ribeiro.