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Line Combos: Our 6th D-man: Gilroy vs Eminger
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I voted Eminger because I prefer bottom pairing defensemen to be more reliable on the defensive side of the game but I've been content with Gilroy's play this year. Would have no complaint with keeping him on the roster if he keeps this up.
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Definitely Gilroy. He can be relied on for more minutes, and his puck-rushing abilities gives us a different dimension from the back end that helps our abysmal transition game. I've been wanting him in the lineup since ~game 3.
I was in the Eminger camp back in 2010-11 when Gilroy got to play over him in the playoffs, but I feel Gilroy is a better fit for the 2013 team.
I was in the Eminger camp back in 2010-11 when Gilroy got to play over him in the playoffs, but I feel Gilroy is a better fit for the 2013 team.
So happy that we are now talking about whether it'll be Gilroy or Eminger as the 6th D-man and whether Boyle should played 4th line or be scratched. Our 2 biggest weaknesses at the moment seem to have been filled.
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gilroy hands down... generally would not play eminger over bickel simply due to the fact that bickel allows us to play boyle over asham.
i'm actually very happy with what we've seen from gilroy so far this season. def fills our biggest whole and while i'd prefer somebody more defensive oriented, he fits the bill so far. our back end is looking beastly offensively
i could still see mcilrath as a late-season call-up to add some toughness to the back end
i'm actually very happy with what we've seen from gilroy so far this season. def fills our biggest whole and while i'd prefer somebody more defensive oriented, he fits the bill so far. our back end is looking beastly offensively
i could still see mcilrath as a late-season call-up to add some toughness to the back end
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Gilroy hasn't been on the ice for a goal against. He's averaging over 10 minutes ATOI.
He's been solid. He brought a stabilizing presence to the third pair.
Eminger was shaky with the puck.
Gilroy has been decisive, has kept it simple, attacks when the opportunity presents itself. And he can move the puck.
Eminger career -50
Gilroy career +7
He's been solid. He brought a stabilizing presence to the third pair.
Eminger was shaky with the puck.
Gilroy has been decisive, has kept it simple, attacks when the opportunity presents itself. And he can move the puck.
Eminger career -50
Gilroy career +7
Nanaki
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surprised Gilroy is a plus, maybe we just see is horrific turnovers.............Torts is going to play the merry go round all yr with the 6th Dman, if its a division rival its Bickel , otherwise he will chose between Gilroy and Eminger
by the deadline they will get a rental in
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Stop being greedy. I'd say both Gilroy and Eminger are good 6th defensemen. I like how Gilroy has looked defensively this season and I'm happy to have Eminger/Bickel as 7th D-men.
It makes no sense to me to ever dress Bickel is Gilroy and/or Eminger are healthy. Maybe draft Asham. Seriously toughness is not more important than what happens to the D-lineup when Bickel comes in. Everyone ends up playing more than they should and that's not even including how we have to hold our breath every time Bickel is on the ice.
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Voted Eminger but didn't realize the difference between the two when looking at +-. Mayb I would go with Gilroy.
Fitzy
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If this isn't a result of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.
Eminger is better than Gilroy. Eminger has always been better than Gilroy. The first time he fails to separate a 180lb player from the puck, or is caught behind the opposition net wandering up the ice, this will be remembered.
Eminger is better than Gilroy. Eminger has always been better than Gilroy. The first time he fails to separate a 180lb player from the puck, or is caught behind the opposition net wandering up the ice, this will be remembered.
Disagree.
And while I don't like using stats as a basis for an argument, I'm going to reference them as support.
The numbers don't lie.
Gilroy has been on the ice for far less goals against on average. And since he isn't running around like he doesn't know what's happening, I refuse to put sole credit on his goaltender or his partners.
Gilroy simply is a player that because of his NCAA performance garnered a lot of expectations that he fairly hasn't reached.
The numbers don't lie. The team as a whole while he was in Hartford was allowing a lot of goals. And he was relied on to carry a lot of the offense. However in the NHL he's been more simple. In Ottawa and Tampa they put him a role that may have been too much for him. He's not a top four defenseman.
In New York, however, he was one of our better players in the playoffs his last year here before leaving as a FA, and thus far this season he has been solid in a limited #6 role.
He has "better" puck skills then Eminger. Better skater, though Eminger is a good skater in his own right. And so far it looks like Gilroy got a little stronger.
I'm very happy to have them both. They can both adequately and cheaply fill the bottom pair. Torts can use them both for 10 minutes with confidence.
But Gilroy brings a skill set that Eminger can not. He doesn't have the hands, the speed, or creativity that Gilroy does. And considering Matt hasn't been a liability, he has to stay in the lineup.
Exactly my thoughts.
I think Torts should start relying on Gilroy more sooner or later.
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I like the dynamic Gilroy has brought. I'd swap in Eminger against teams that are more physical, but for the most part I would lean towards Gilroy.
Thanks for the perspective.
Went w/Gilroy. He's still a creampuff, but he's an improved creampuff, and he's still very raw, in terms of opportunity to develop an NHL size frame and pro game since leaving college. If bulks up carefully w/o ruining flexibility and speed skating, he could be our 5 or 6. nice righty lefty combo w/Eminger, but would prefer upgrade to Em.
pls discuss AT THE TRADE THREAD which righty D worth getting is available/
See Bickel as emergency 7th D in game replacement only, welcome him w/shot at 4th line LW.
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Both have played well, but I think at the 6th spot for this team considering that Stralman is the #5, I'd rather have some more defensively stable. So I went with Eminger.
As long as Stu Bickel doesn't play again.
As long as Stu Bickel doesn't play again.
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Gilroy isn't a power play specialist, he can''t play the PK, he isn't strong in his own zone. He doesn't skate as well as McDonagh, his pivotal speed is decent but is nothing special straight away.
What does he do? He takes up space, that is about it. He doesn't have the freedom in a Tortorella system to get too far up ice, even if he did he doesn't have the shot to beat an NHL goaltender regularly. You could use him as an energy forward on the bottom two lines but even then the best e could be is a poor man's Hagelin.
Eminger filled top 4 his first year here when DZ was sent down, he played PK minutes. He is more physical than Gilroy, and has been counted on for huge minutes with teams before NYR.
Now, because this dman will be playing behind huge minute vacuums like Danny G, the role isn't that important. But if you ask me come playoff time who I feel more comfortable with in a tie game, there is no question.
What does he do? He takes up space, that is about it. He doesn't have the freedom in a Tortorella system to get too far up ice, even if he did he doesn't have the shot to beat an NHL goaltender regularly. You could use him as an energy forward on the bottom two lines but even then the best e could be is a poor man's Hagelin.
Eminger filled top 4 his first year here when DZ was sent down, he played PK minutes. He is more physical than Gilroy, and has been counted on for huge minutes with teams before NYR.
Now, because this dman will be playing behind huge minute vacuums like Danny G, the role isn't that important. But if you ask me come playoff time who I feel more comfortable with in a tie game, there is no question.
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Edit didn't want to sound like I was being a jerk. It wasn't my intent.
Gilroy absolutely has the speed. He's quick in tight spaces.
Eminger hasn't been able to fill a top four role in some time now. He won't ever need to, either. And if he were so much "better" then Gilroy he would be in the lineup ahead of him.
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