Value of: OTT & ARI

[Qward]

What would it cost for Arizona to take Bobby Ryan?

Where does Arizona value Demers?

Does Pittsburgh's 1st round and Ryan for Demers be work?

Or if Ottawa had 2nd overall and Arizona had 3rd overall, would a swap plus Pittsburghs 1st for Ryan and Demers work?

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[hbk]

What would it cost for Arizona to take Bobby Ryan?

Where does Arizona value Demers?

Does Pittsburgh's 1st round and Ryan for Demers be work?

Or if Ottawa had 2nd overall and Arizona had 3rd overall, would a swap plus Pittsburghs 1st for Ryan and Demers work?

Why would AZ give up any asset? How much salary retention? A late first to help out Ottawa while hurting budget flexibility and potentially ability to re-sign OEL isn't appealing to be honest. Trading OEL's D partner in Demers doesn't help matters either. Not saying it's not possible but expect the price tag to be high.

Edit - at $7.5 M of actual salary for 4 more years on an already declining asset in Ryan I can honestly say there would be zero interest. Unless the Sens first rounder is on the table I wouldn't even return the phone call if I was Chayka. And I'm fully aware that's unreasonable. I also don't believe AZ particularly cares if Ottawa is able to get this contract off their books. AZ is not a charity.

 

[IPreferPi]

After a slow start, Demers turned out to be exactly what he hoped for and more - a steady veteran partner for OEL. He will also be the only natural RHD we'll have under contract when this season is over, so I don't believe moving him is in the cards at all.

No interest in taking on Ryan unless a significant sweetener is attached.

 

[Philadelphia Ducks]

no way AZ does this, he still is owed a large amount of money that isn't tied to just cap hit.

 

[ck26]

Why would AZ give up any asset? How much salary retention? A late first to help out Ottawa while hurting budget flexibility and potentially ability to re-sign OEL isn't appealing to be honest. Trading OEL's D partner in Demers doesn't help matters either. Not saying it's not possible but expect the price tag to be high.

At $7.5 M of actual salary for 4 more years on an already declining asset in Ryan I can honestly say there would be zero interest. Unless the Sens first rounder is on the table I wouldn't even return the phone call if I was Chayka. And I'm fully aware that's unreasonable. I also don't believe AZ particularly cares if Ottawa is able to get this contract off their books. AZ is not a charity.

Usually I just hit like, but in this case I'm quoting hbk's post because it really can't be said better. Without massive (50%) retention, at $7.5m x 4 yrs, I have zero interest. AZ is not a charity.

 

[pheasant]

Bobby Ryan's salary is actually about to go up a little bit starting next year. He got paid less than the 7.25 cap-hit in the first few years, and will now make up for it by getting 7.5 million a year in actual dollars paid for the next 4 years.

Unless it's got most of the salary retained, it almost doesn't matter what else is going one way or the other in a trade. Arizona can't afford to pay him the dollars. It would cripple the salary structure on a budget team. Even if we're talking unprotected 1st rounders, and asking nothing in return, the answer will have to be "no".

If you want to trade Bobby Ryan, Arizona is absolutely not on the list of possible trade partners. This isn't the kind of bad contract they can take.

 

[txw]

Demers has killed it for us this season, and is irreplaceable in the locker room. A big part of our winning attitude comes from guys like Demers. No chance we move him .

 

[tony d]

Want to get rid of Ryan but not if we have to give up a pick along with it. No thanks to this 1.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I'd imagine the sweetener would have to be really significant. I don't think Arizona moves Demers for Pittsburgh's 1st straight up, let alone having to take on Ryan.

 

[go4hockey]

Want to get rid of Ryan but not if we have to give up a pick along with it. No thanks to this 1.

How do you think you can get rid of Ryan without sending something very very nice with him. He will drag along on the Sens for the rest of that contract unless their cheap owner buys him out.

 

[SR]

Demers not avail.

 

[RABBIT]

I will add to the echo chamber here, Demers has been a steal, very doubtful he's moved.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Ryan
Batherson
Englund

For

Dauphin
Crouse
Wood

?

 

[hbk]

Ryan
Batherson
Englund

For

Dauphin
Crouse
Wood

?

AZ would rather just keep Dauphin and Crouse. I just don't see AZ as wanting to give Ottawa a get out of jail free card here without significant cost. And by significant I mean insultingly lopsided.

 

[IPreferPi]

Ryan
Batherson
Englund

For

Dauphin
Crouse
Wood

?

Start with the Bickell trade as a basis, then add on from there given how much worse Ryan's contract is.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Ok people. I meant no disrespect, and just wanted feedback...and I got it.

Start with the Bickell trade as a basis, then add on from there given how much worse Ryan's contract is.

Ok...

Ryan
Batherson

For

Panik
Crouse
Merkley

 

[hbk]

Ok people. I meant no disrespect, and just wanted feedback...and I got it.


Ok...

Ryan
Batherson

For

Panik
Crouse
Merkley

So Merkley and Crouse? Two of their best A players and top prospects for a guy they don't want or need and can't afford.

Easy. And I mean hysterically easy pass.

 

[IPreferPi]

Ok people. I meant no disrespect, and just wanted feedback...and I got it.


Ok...

Ryan
Batherson

For

Panik
Crouse
Merkley

I've known you for a while Vatican around here, so I know you mean no disrespect.

That said, I'm missing where Batherson is somehow equivalent to Teräväinen.

 

[rt]

Ok people. I meant no disrespect, and just wanted feedback...and I got it.


Ok...

Ryan
Batherson

For

Panik
Crouse
Merkley

Panik has been really good for us. He's playing on our top line with Stepan and Keller and showing great chemistry.

 

[rt]

What would it cost for Arizona to take Bobby Ryan?

Where does Arizona value Demers?

Does Pittsburgh's 1st round and Ryan for Demers be work?

Or if Ottawa had 2nd overall and Arizona had 3rd overall, would a swap plus Pittsburghs 1st for Ryan and Demers work?

Demers has been really good for us. He's been playing on our top pair with OEL and showing great chemistry.

 

[rt]

Want to get rid of Ryan but not if we have to give up a pick along with it. No thanks to this 1.

What if Ottawa just retained? If they ate 1/3 of his salary, that would put him at 5m/yr in actual dollars the next four seasons (the last four of his deal). That's not totally unreasonable. Arizona would likely still want something for the trouble but it wouldn't have to be a 1st round pick.

 

[hbk]

Here's my counter and it's meant to either stop the conversation entirely or if you are truly serious it needs to end up close to this.

Ottawa's 1st
Bobby Ryan (50% retention)

Or

Logan Brown
Pitts 1st rounder
Bobby Ryan (50% retention)

For Futures

 

[mouser]

Ok people. I meant no disrespect, and just wanted feedback...and I got it.


Ok...

Ryan
Batherson

For

Panik
Crouse
Merkley

Why keep adding on well regarded AZ prospects? And a roster player in Panik who doesn’t hold negative value?

The proper stucture of a hypothetical Bobby Ryan trade should be:

Ryan
Sweetener in pick, prospects, and or players, their value dependent on whether any salary is retained on Ryan

For

Something negligible. Maybe a career AHL player or late round pick.


Alternately the structure could be Ryan for something of negative value. With sweeteners to be added based on the relative negative values—most likely this would mean Ottawa adding. Arizona has almost no contracts of notable negative value though. Even Bolland is only owed $1.1m by AZ since insurance is picking up the rest of his contract.

 

[KevinRedkey]

2nd Overall - Svechnikov
Bobby Ryan

for

6th Overall (from DET)


I still think Detroit jumps on this. I'd hate it if the Sens pass up on Svechnikov, but I also have a gut feeling they would take Tkachuk at #2, so I don't mind going from Tkachuk to #6 all that much. Obviously the lotto can change all these hypotheticals.

 

[TSA0402]

Here's my counter and it's meant to either stop the conversation entirely or if you are truly serious it needs to end up close to this.

Ottawa's 1st
Bobby Ryan (50% retention)

Or

Logan Brown
Pitts 1st rounder
Bobby Ryan (50% retention)
For Futures

This is actually more laughable than the original post. Ryan for 3.6 million isn't close to a bad contract.