OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI
- Thread starter forsbergavs32
- Start date
- Status
Does seem to be a trend with that piece of shit. Remember the whole "Cutler is my QB" bullshit? Holding up he jersey and posting it all over social media, only for Cutler to be traded less than 48 hours later. For Kyle f***ing Orton. God I hate that man and all the terrible memories he etched into my brain.
In the end Cutler had talent and a big arm but no heart.
Carr seems to be a good guy but he wasn’t willing to pull the trigger and be aggressive. Coaches didn’t ask him to be reckless. Asked him to push the ball but he wouldn’t.
I despised watching the Raiders so I don't know a lot about how Carr plays. The only thing I know about the guy is that he looks like he always has eye makeup on.
Cutler probably would've been better off staying with the broncos. The makeup of those Bear teams he was a part of was always flawed in one way or another. And a true star receiver never happened for him until late in his career.
And about 50 other guys.
I did see some "he just wants to bring in his guys" posts already.
May he serve the Raiders long.
basically he is dumping Carr for Jarrett Stidham right now (who is one of his Pats boys).......My guess is they will bring in someone terrible borderline starter (a guy like Orton) so that Stidham still has a shot at the starting job......Just tryng to put myself in a FA QB's shoes - McDufas would be the last guy in the league I'd probably want to play for.....But someone will go there because it's vegas, strippers, and $$$$$$
Do you understand contracts and the cap? I'm really thinking you don't. Carr is gone not because they didn't think he was the best QB on the roster, they just don't want to pay him $43m in cap hit to be mediocre. Stidham is a UFA, he will demand low starter money in all likelihood and they put him out there to see if he was worth it in any way. Time will tell how that plays out.
I hate McDaniels as much as the rest of us do but these moves were pretty obvious. Carr about to make close to Russ extension money but the Raiders had the luxury of a $5m out. If they pay $10-15m for a QB next year and add in the $5m buyout they have around $25m to spend on other things than just a decent QB who was taking them nowhere fast. Even if the QB is slightly worse that provides a lot of room to make upgrades elsewhere.
Whether or not it was the right move it was done in the most clumsy, awkward, and public way possible, which is pretty much how it went down with Cutler and McDouchenozzle as well.
That said I hope McDaniels continues with Los A...Oak...Vegas. Those two deserve one another.
The only "good" way would have been to state all this publicly in the press conferences but then Stidham gets more negotiation power. They probably wanted to do it well before the last two games but the Raiders were winning enough to technically be in the playoff race.
Carr said his goodbyes now, he knows its a business and he's gotten paid plenty so far and will continue to collect nice checks for some other team. Probably a bit bummed he didn't get the even bigger checks he would have gotten next year but the contract was clearly written to avoid that unless he performed. In other words he's always acted like a professional and this never became a Cutler-like situation with Jay acting like a 3 year old about it.
Yes, Carr has handled all this with professionalism and class, and Cutler...didn't. That we can agree on.
If McDaniels' regular alienation of players and staff was supplemented by him actually bringing in better players and better staff, if he was able to overcome his extreme biases (i.e., rampaging ego) and cast as wide and as far a net as possible, then there'd be fewer problems with his brusque, clumsy, and somewhat duplicitous approach. But it doesn't result in that, he just draws from the same pool every time. Again, I hope he stays in Vegas for a long, long time, because if he does I'm fairly confident he'll ruin that franchise far worse than it was when he came in.
I think we can all agree on that. I do think the Raiders were about the biggest mess around and so its hard to see McDouche making it that much worse. This is the team that chased off so many good players by being cheap and then drafted a bunch of 1st round busts in a row before he showed up. We'll see if he's changed at all since his Bronco days. As much as I'd love to blame him for all the blown leads this year I think blame falls on game manager Carr and the shoddy defense, but if it keeps happening he's going to feel the heat soon.
This is the crazy thing about the AFC West. The Chiefs are unfortunately so damn good it makes it an absolute minefield for coaches and players. Staley still might be canned if they lose this week. Herbert may always be on the Cusp of greatness. Carr is about to have to find another team. We have Broncos fans calling a 5 win season like the worst thing that has ever happened. It all comes from playing against the Chiefs and how everyone has gotten pretty good to try to pass them. I said it before, if the Jags and Broncos were switched this season, the Broncos would have won that putrid division even with all the injuries. The NFL creates continuing inequities that roll around over time by maintaining divisions as they are.
The faceoff between Carr and rhe raiders will be interesting. On one hand he has a ntc and his guaranteed money of $40 mill which is broken up into $33 mill base for 223 and $7.5 mill of his 2024 base become fully guaranteed after the SB. His contract then calls for base salaries of $41 mill or something for 2024 and 2025. I doubt any team will want Carr at those rates.
But in reality, a new deal will be signed either as a complete free or if dealt a restructure to get more guaranteed money. Veterans like Carr I believe get their base salaries guaranteed if they are on the roster by Saturday before the season, so really having the base for 2023 be guaranteed in Feb or Sep is irrelevant.
Carr doesn’t have to go to a team he doesn’t want to. Guess that would eliminate Washington. Maybe Indy due to lack of weapons. Who knows.
So the raiders won’t be getting first and second rounders in return.
I think Carr wants this to be done quickly so that he can get his young family relocated to the new city and ready for school come September. And have the whole off season to learn the play play iBook. Not dare the raiders to cut him and risk having to show up at camp and in essence blow the 2023 season either not playing as a backup or getting to a new team late.
I think Carr can help a bad team get better. I don’t see him taking a team over the top.
But in reality, a new deal will be signed either as a complete free or if dealt a restructure to get more guaranteed money. Veterans like Carr I believe get their base salaries guaranteed if they are on the roster by Saturday before the season, so really having the base for 2023 be guaranteed in Feb or Sep is irrelevant.
Carr doesn’t have to go to a team he doesn’t want to. Guess that would eliminate Washington. Maybe Indy due to lack of weapons. Who knows.
So the raiders won’t be getting first and second rounders in return.
I think Carr wants this to be done quickly so that he can get his young family relocated to the new city and ready for school come September. And have the whole off season to learn the play play iBook. Not dare the raiders to cut him and risk having to show up at camp and in essence blow the 2023 season either not playing as a backup or getting to a new team late.
I think Carr can help a bad team get better. I don’t see him taking a team over the top.
No way the Raiders could expect firsts for him, his contract is market value and maybe then some. Getting a guy on the cheap will get you assets like the Russ deal did (low 20s cap hit for 2 years after Seattle ate a bunch of his bonus money). He's in a bad spot because spots where you'd think he might make a good fit like Colts or Titans are in a bind with possibly needing to take dead cap hits on current starters so paying Carr a lot this year will be tough to fit in. Maybe the Commanders might be the best spot for him since they can cut Wentz for 0 but even there he's not assured a job and they kind of saw what happens when you depend on a game manager QB this year.
Wash, new OC and owner is Synder. I’d say pass by Carr
Indy, owner slightly better than Synder but not a stable guy. Lack of weapons in Indy.
Jets, just fired their OC of 2 years so everyone is learning a new offence. Maybe a pass there too.
Carr will do a contract restructure. I don’t see him counting $33 mill on a new team. $33 mill is market value as Goff is slated to count that vs the Lions cap for example. It’s the $40 plus mill for 24&25 that are a no no.
Maybe to get assets the raiders need to retain some of the $33 mill base salary for this season. Then the new team does a new deal in the off season but if I’m Carr I want new guaranteed money when I walk through the door. Maybe he stink in a new team like Russ. If he struggled with Josh’s offence in year one how will he fare as the new guy learning a new offence with all new team mates. So getting a new deal walking in makes more sense for him. Sign a deal that assures him 2 years with the team to prove his worth.
Jets are going to go with White and maybe trade up this year or take someone at 13. Atlanta is on the Ridder train for now but could take someone this year, they have way too many holes to fill to give up anything for him. I don't think the Pats trade for him with Jones still on a cheap deal but could be a spot. If there was one spot no one is mentioning that could make some sense its Tampa. Brady could bolt at any point. Imagine he goes there and Brady ends up in Vegas.
I don't think Carr cares much about the weapons or the location where he goes. He's made $125m so far in his career and he stands to make at least another $50m over next 2 or 3 years at least. He's looking for a spot where he's getting the #1 spot, the fans are going to buy his jersey and he gets welcomed by the team with a settled spot. To get that he's got to beat guys like Tannehill and Garaopolo to the spot.
NE, lack of weapons is a concern as is the OC.
I think if I’m Carr I want to get to Miami first.
Ten has a good D and coach. I’d question why team didn’t extend Brown. LT Leeann is likely to get cut due to being injured the past 3 seasons.
Atlanta, Pitt’s and London as receivers. Couple of good OL and a run game. Not sure about how their D is.
Carolina, still a work in progress imo.
TB, OL guys return next season. Is there another receiver after Evans that he can count on to be there?
NO, cap issues and have Defensive HC. If Payton returned different story.
Avoid Washington.
Giants is interesting with the HC and Barkley and the 2 OT. Lack receivers.
Seattle is interesting. OT and receiver and RB and Carroll is stable. Defence will get help at the draft.
Jets, they fired OC. Are they really stable like he wants? Can he handle NY? Will Becton get weight under control to remain healthy?
Houston, nope don’t trust that organization. Firing 2 HC in back to back years as one and done.
You're thinking like a fan. He has little to prove, he's made the money already. Yeah be great if he could step into a ready made contender but those teams largely have a QB in place. Just like coaches there are only 32 spots in the world and most aren't open. He will take a spot that might not make a lot of sense to us and it may not even be about the money.
I think he’s also ticked that the raiders benched him and will look to prove them wrong. All QBs get paid well, so I doubt money will be his key driver. I mean he’s not signed for $20 mill but he will still get comparably to other QBs of his level. But I think he wants to stick it to the raiders and no have it proven that hey Carr didn’t do squat after the Raiders so we are justified in moving off him.
I'd cross about 1/2 of those teams off your list though - Carr is going to want to be a starter. No way he sits behind Brady in TB or splits time with Tua in Miami. Seattle's likely to draft a QB or make Geno their man. When I looked, Atlanta was outside the top 5 picks (I think?) so that would be an interesting one. They might get boxed out of the top draft QBs and have to resort to Carr. Carolina is a team I forgot to mention - I think that's definitely a landing spot too. The panthers seem like they want to be aggressive like the Broncos this offseason. Houston will draft a QB for sure. Both the NY teams intrigue me and both could be landing spots for him for sure. What happens with Daniel Jones this offseason is going to be interesting. I don't think Daniel Jones is any better than Derek Carr, but he is younger and more mobile. Daniel Jones' ceiling is probably what Derek Carr has been. I think the Texans, Seattle, and the Colts take the 3 top QBs unless the Raiders or Atlanta trade up with the Bears.
niwotsblessing
Registered User
Carr wan't the problem in Vegas. The Raiders are the problem. McHoodie. May they be blessed by his on-going presence.
Mack wasn’t the problem either but in the end if you are Not winning with the guy you move on. Mack had big time value but LV blew the picks.
Carr I don’t know if they can deal him as they certainly don’t want to end up holding onto him into camp if the market for his services for the places he wants to go to get dried up.
TB, if Brady leaves and it seems like he will then rhe Bucs need a qb.
Miami, no idea if they opt to pick up Tua’s 5th year option for $20 mill this off season.
And the QB swap buys him another year. Can't hold it against a coach breaking in a new QB.
Grackle Party
Full of guts!!
LoL at the Chargers! Played their starters and took the L against the Broncos and now blew a huge lead agasint the Jags.
- Status
