OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI
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MonsterMack
He did the Mack, He did the monster Mack
They went this entire season without their 2nd and 3rd best players.
Questions can be asked about giving both guys max contracts I think. Murray was a freak accident, but MPJ had come in with chronic back issues. Looks like the AG trade is also backfiring spectacularly. I'm not a basketball guy so I may be out of my depth here, but there seems be some blame to go around outside of injury luck.
MonsterMack
He did the Mack, He did the monster Mack
They didn't really have any choice. Star players aren't coming here in free agency. They have to pay their home grown talent or just commit to sucking, which they won't do when they have Jokic. The very few games that Jokic, Murray, MPJ, and AG were in the line up together their record was great if I remember right. I don't think it is fair to judge the AG trade at all. He wasn't brought in to be the 2nd best player, he was brought in to be a finishing touch to the line up.
Regardless of any of that, this season can 100% be boiled down to poor injury luck.
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Yeah there’s no other scoring threats besides Joker and AG was brought in as a perimeter defender which we sorely needed. Blue Arrows injury really killed the team. MPJ wasn’t ever going to be a legit 2nd scoring threat. It’s been patchwork here for a while.
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It would be nice if, in addition to adding a legit defender or two, they got someone who could sink threes with any sort of regularity.
Nope. I do like the buzz about the Broncos taking him though.
Not drawing any conclusions, but when will Murray be ready? Think of how badly the greats wanted to win and would do anything to play even hurt or sick when the stakes were high. Murray we are told just doesn't trust his body. I'm sorry but this rubs me wrong. Maybe he's got his own doctor telling him he's got a higher chance of reinjury than the Nuggets doctors? Something really seems off here.
Jamal, the team needs you bad. Do you want to come be part of the gang or are you just gonna wait until some no stakes game in October gives you the chance to get back out there? The Nuggets probably are privately saying that to him while publicly pointing out its his choice.
Jamal, the team needs you bad. Do you want to come be part of the gang or are you just gonna wait until some no stakes game in October gives you the chance to get back out there? The Nuggets probably are privately saying that to him while publicly pointing out its his choice.
Nuggets GM Tim Connelly also needs to be held accountable for the state of the roster. This is the history:
- Trades away Rudy Gobert at the draft (2013) for Erick Green? Gobert is a perennial DPOY candidate, while Erick Green only played 52 games in the NBA.
- Trades for Nurkić at the draft (2014) only to later trade him plus a 2017 1st round pick for Mason Plumlee. Plumlee played 4 seasons for Denver, not even coming close to the player Nurkić turned out to be. He eventually signed with the Pistons, so we basically lost Nurkić and Plumlee for nothing.
- Drafts Emmanuel Mudiay with the 7th overall pick in the 2015 draft. Mudiay plays 3 years in Denver and never amounts to anything. Had to go play in Europe, and is now trying to get 10 day contracts with NBA bottom dwellers such as Sacramento. This one really hurts because the Nuggets don't often get a top 10 pick, and some of the players drafted after Mudiay would've helped the roster a lot. Players such as: Devon Booker, Cam Payne, Kelly Oubre Jr., and Terry Rozier.
- 2016 could've been an absolute knockout draft as Denver had two picks in the top 15. Connelly got one part of it right when he drafted Jamal Murray with the 7th pick, but the next pick at 15 was pretty much wasted. Connelly drafted Juancho Hernangómez, who played 4 seasons in Denver and was a decent role player. However, the players picked after him would prove to be killers. Caris LaVert, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray, and Malcolm Brogdon. Pascal Siakam added to our current roster would've been so beastly.
- 2017... Now this one is a kick in the balls. Denver selects Donovan Mitchell with the 13th overall pick, and proceeds to trade him to Utah for the 24th overall pick and Trey Lyles. Mitchell is now an all-star with Utah. Denver used the 24th overall pick to select Tyler Lydon, who played 26 games with Denver. Lyles played 2 seasons for the Nuggets and averaged 8-9 points per game. This is the darkest timeline...
2018 Denver selects Michael Porter Jr., a player with a history of injury problems. Despite that, MPJ plays well enough to earn the GM's trust. Connelly gives him a max deal, and what do you know, the injury problems return... It's always fun to see MPJ laughing and having a good time on the sidelines in street clothes...
That's just the draft stuff. The trades and free agents aren't much better:
- You trade a 1st for Jermei Grant and don't know that he isn't interested in re-signing with you? How??? It's a pretty simple conversation with OKC. "Hey, we're interested in trading for Grant. We understand you want a 1st for him, but in order to do that, we need to know if he will re-up with us. No, he won't? Ahh, that's a shame, we're gonna look elsewhere then. Peace." You just f***ing gave away a 1st for nothing! You gotta have those available at the trade deadline. You can't waste them and expect to be successful.
- Connelly trades for Barton in 2015. Connelly falls in love with Barton similar to how Bednar loves JTC. Won't trade him no matter how many turnovers he commits, or how many bad shots he takes. Dude never fights through a screen either.
- Connelly trades for AG last season. Some people really like him, but I think he is very hit and miss. Shows glimpses of being a big time player, but doesn't keep up with it.
There's some other minor stuff I could get into, but this post is already way too long. Connelly isn't all bad as he did find Jokic in the 2nd round, but he has made some very critical errors that may prevent us from ever winning a ring.
- Trades away Rudy Gobert at the draft (2013) for Erick Green? Gobert is a perennial DPOY candidate, while Erick Green only played 52 games in the NBA.
- Trades for Nurkić at the draft (2014) only to later trade him plus a 2017 1st round pick for Mason Plumlee. Plumlee played 4 seasons for Denver, not even coming close to the player Nurkić turned out to be. He eventually signed with the Pistons, so we basically lost Nurkić and Plumlee for nothing.
- Drafts Emmanuel Mudiay with the 7th overall pick in the 2015 draft. Mudiay plays 3 years in Denver and never amounts to anything. Had to go play in Europe, and is now trying to get 10 day contracts with NBA bottom dwellers such as Sacramento. This one really hurts because the Nuggets don't often get a top 10 pick, and some of the players drafted after Mudiay would've helped the roster a lot. Players such as: Devon Booker, Cam Payne, Kelly Oubre Jr., and Terry Rozier.
- 2016 could've been an absolute knockout draft as Denver had two picks in the top 15. Connelly got one part of it right when he drafted Jamal Murray with the 7th pick, but the next pick at 15 was pretty much wasted. Connelly drafted Juancho Hernangómez, who played 4 seasons in Denver and was a decent role player. However, the players picked after him would prove to be killers. Caris LaVert, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray, and Malcolm Brogdon. Pascal Siakam added to our current roster would've been so beastly.
- 2017... Now this one is a kick in the balls. Denver selects Donovan Mitchell with the 13th overall pick, and proceeds to trade him to Utah for the 24th overall pick and Trey Lyles. Mitchell is now an all-star with Utah. Denver used the 24th overall pick to select Tyler Lydon, who played 26 games with Denver. Lyles played 2 seasons for the Nuggets and averaged 8-9 points per game. This is the darkest timeline...
2018 Denver selects Michael Porter Jr., a player with a history of injury problems. Despite that, MPJ plays well enough to earn the GM's trust. Connelly gives him a max deal, and what do you know, the injury problems return... It's always fun to see MPJ laughing and having a good time on the sidelines in street clothes...
That's just the draft stuff. The trades and free agents aren't much better:
- You trade a 1st for Jermei Grant and don't know that he isn't interested in re-signing with you? How??? It's a pretty simple conversation with OKC. "Hey, we're interested in trading for Grant. We understand you want a 1st for him, but in order to do that, we need to know if he will re-up with us. No, he won't? Ahh, that's a shame, we're gonna look elsewhere then. Peace." You just f***ing gave away a 1st for nothing! You gotta have those available at the trade deadline. You can't waste them and expect to be successful.
- Connelly trades for Barton in 2015. Connelly falls in love with Barton similar to how Bednar loves JTC. Won't trade him no matter how many turnovers he commits, or how many bad shots he takes. Dude never fights through a screen either.
- Connelly trades for AG last season. Some people really like him, but I think he is very hit and miss. Shows glimpses of being a big time player, but doesn't keep up with it.
There's some other minor stuff I could get into, but this post is already way too long. Connelly isn't all bad as he did find Jokic in the 2nd round, but he has made some very critical errors that may prevent us from ever winning a ring.
You can't really get on Connelly for what went down with Nurkic. The way I read it, Jokic began to emerge as the better player and the team deferred to him more and more, which rankled Nurkic and led to a rather uncomfortable situation where he was starting to become a disruptive presence in the locker room. Plumlee was nothing special but he played a similar style to Jokic, therefore he was kind of the perfect player to acquire as the center coming off the bench. Boogie is obviously WAY better in that role, but he wasn't available back then. It's not like they were gonna get some huge piece in return for Nurkic, and it's really not like Nurk has done much since leaving.
I also think the Nuggets were caught completely off-guard with that ridiculous offer the Pistons made for Grant. And frankly it was an idiotic move on their part. I like Gordon better anyway.
I agree with the max deal for MPJ though. I know others argue that Connelly didn't have a choice but there's always a choice. There are many reasons, and not just his injury history, that I don't think MPJ is a player you should build around. So far that's been a disastrous investment. I don't care how talented he is, it doesn't matter what he can do on the court if he can't stay on it.
Barton's a good guy and a good player, but if the guys ahead of him on the depth chart can't stay healthy then he continually keeps getting thrown into situations WAY over his head, much like Jost and JTC. And that's why I think it's a bad move to keep him around. He should not be a core player.
Bottom line, the Nuggets HAVE GOT to find a third star to complement 15 and 27, no ifs ands, or buts. And MPJ is absolutely not that guy.
I also think the Nuggets were caught completely off-guard with that ridiculous offer the Pistons made for Grant. And frankly it was an idiotic move on their part. I like Gordon better anyway.
I agree with the max deal for MPJ though. I know others argue that Connelly didn't have a choice but there's always a choice. There are many reasons, and not just his injury history, that I don't think MPJ is a player you should build around. So far that's been a disastrous investment. I don't care how talented he is, it doesn't matter what he can do on the court if he can't stay on it.
Barton's a good guy and a good player, but if the guys ahead of him on the depth chart can't stay healthy then he continually keeps getting thrown into situations WAY over his head, much like Jost and JTC. And that's why I think it's a bad move to keep him around. He should not be a core player.
Bottom line, the Nuggets HAVE GOT to find a third star to complement 15 and 27, no ifs ands, or buts. And MPJ is absolutely not that guy.
First off, they technically drafted Gobert and Mitchell but it's because Jazz told them to. Kind of like how the Bulls drafted Gary Harris and Nurkic because Nuggets told them to. They moved down in 2017 for OG but they got Masai'd, it happens.
Hating on Connelly for Nurkic, Grant, Barton, and Gordon trades are hilarious. All of them made the team better. Like if we're gonna give him shit for trades, it's Hartenstein + 2 2nds for McGee, If we're gonna give him shit for drafting in recent years, it's passing on Bane.
Now, him ignoring wings is a big issue. They went from having Grant, Garris, Dozier and Craig as above average defenders in the bubble to just Gordon.
They're missing 3 guys they were expected to be have at this time when the season started, that's why the depth is so bad.
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