Olympics 2018

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Question ive been wondering since the announcement was made and couldn't find an answer.

Could a player without a valid NHL contract for 2018 add a clause to his contract saying he would be exempt from playing during the Olympics?

Ex.: Markov could sign a one-year deal with Montreal for less than market value but with that type of clause and would leave the team for 3 weeks if he's selected by his Association.

Sorry if it's been answer before, couldn't find or hear anything about it yet...
 
I quite looking forward to it but how can you be sure that it wont be just highly motivated Eurohockey tour + Slovakia, Switzerland and Ovechkin?

They will have the big spotlight this time. In any tournament, some players emerge as stars who are leading the way, and those names will become more well-known.
 
I still think that there is a chance that the players go, if the stars continue to express their frustration with the decision and continue to speak out. Obviously, Ovy would need permission from the Caps and it looks like they support his desire, but the legal aspect may shut that down?
Without a stoppage in league action, do you let your captain go for 2 weeks and risk missing the playoffs? The same goes for any other impact player.
I sure hope that this issue escalates fast!
 
I still think that there is a chance that the players go, if the stars continue to express their frustration with the decision and continue to speak out. Obviously, Ovy would need permission from the Caps and it looks like they support his desire, but the legal aspect may shut that down?
Without a stoppage in league action, do you let your captain go for 2 weeks and risk missing the playoffs? The same goes for any other impact player.
I sure hope that this issue escalates fast!
The question with Capitals is, if Ovie is allowed to go, what will they say to Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Oshie?
 
The question with Capitals is, if Ovie is allowed to go, what will they say to Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Oshie?

Good point, how do you let one go, when the others want to go as well?
The negative reaction from players ,fans etc. must continue and gain momentum fast to have any chance of reversing this decision by the NHL.
NHL and owners are thinking of themselves. The fans and players want to go.
 
How many people do you know?
It doesnt matter that you and your friends dont care....THere are a lot of people who do.

What is so infuriating with this attitude is the typical american fan perspective....You dont care about the sport, you just want to be entertained on your couch....
Its all me, me, me....Well i dont care....
Not a single thought for the sport itself.-

Well, for the real fans, this is something very different. Its about the arrogance of this decision from the north american point of view.
If Europeans/Russians fans were willing to pay market value, you'd have no problems

I think it offensive that you attack NA.....anybody can "say" something and never back it up...it's not like Europe/Russia has no money and so don't have athletes making what hockey players make (and MUCH more!); Europeans/Russians have "voted with their wallets" and shown they don't care as much about the sport of hockey as you say


I'd be totally fine if any/all European and Russian NHLers retired from the NHL and played in Elite Leagues, and in all international competitions; I have no desire to tell the players where they must play and Leagues how they must behave (unlike you)


Your post isn't about the sport, it's you demanding you get your way and things be done they way you want - "me, me, me" (hockey will carry on with or without you and regardless of whether what you want to happen happens)



Its always about the money...
Yes, but NOT about North America!
If European/Russian players didn't want the big money, you wouldn't have a problem
If European/Russian fans paid market value to watch hockey, you wouldn't have a problem



You can keep repeating how awful NA fans are, and how your side are the real fans, and only your side cares about the sport itself.....doesn't make any of what you're saying true, but does make you incredibly arrogant
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.


not for this Canadian. I won't be setting my alarm clock to wake up early for this. I won't even be setting my PVR to watch later at a time more convenient.

I wish my Canadian Euro league playing compatriots well in their Olympic pursuits, but I'll ignore S. Korea Olympics just like I did the NHL gimmicky World Cup. If it isn't best v best, then it doesn't interest me.
 
[/B]
not for this Canadian. I won't be setting my alarm clock to wake up early for this. I won't even be setting my PVR to watch later at a time more convenient.

I wish my Canadian Euro league playing compatriots well in their Olympic pursuits, but I'll ignore S. Korea Olympics just like I did the NHL gimmicky World Cup. If it isn't best v best, then it doesn't interest me.

I guess one can understand that. Well then you have to wait for the next WC then, if we assume they've fixed it by then.
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.
Who wins the olympics in Korea is not going to influence the NHL's decision about 2022 at all, in any way whatsoever.
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.

I doubt that. IOC doesn't seem willing to budge, and I can understand their reasoning and the NHL doesn't seem willing to budge.
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.

That would make sense if Canadians looked at these events like lotteries and tuned in just to see which team is the random winner. I am pretty skeptical that that is the case though. I expect that the ratings will be significantly lower in Canada than they were in 2014, though perhaps not so in other countries.
 
If Canada misses out on the medal, you can bet your ass that the NHLers will be back in the China OG. Unfortunatly though Canadas team will still have a good chance to get to the finals, just a bit less than usual, which could just make it extra interesting to follow in a way for Canadian fans.

Nah, won't watch, and most Canadians won't either at those times for a 2nd-3rd rate tournament with a phony gold medal winner.


Canadians are not going to be bothered with olympic hockey for the most part now, at least not at 3 o clock in the morning.
 
Last edited:
Nah, won't watch, and most Canadians won't either at those times for a 2nd-3rd rate tournament with a phony gold medal winner.


Canadians are not going to be bothered with olympic hockey for the most part now, at least not at 3 o clock in the morning.

I dont remember somebody mentioned it before in regards to european fans. You guys are too picky and some are definetely selfish - like Don Cherry. Seems like Europe deals easier with all obstacles like league breakes, morning broadcast etc. That narciss Bettman certainly does not help to it...When I watched him calling from CHina to NHL broadcast - its not even funny, NHL looks like sect. Even that moderators looked terrified how far from people he is. "its a honour to receive such vase..." repeating all that empty words like robot....
 
I dont remember somebody mentioned it before in regards to european fans. You guys are too picky and some are definetely selfish - like Don Cherry. Seems like Europe deals easier with all obstacles like league breakes, morning broadcast etc. That narciss Bettman certainly does not help to it...When I watched him calling from CHina to NHL broadcast - its not even funny, NHL looks like sect. Even that moderators looked terrified how far from people he is. "its a honour to receive such vase..." repeating all that empty words like robot....

What do you mean we are too picky?

European fans to a man would not give the time of day to the recent world cup of hockey and you all gave us your reasons why and that's fine with me, it is your right as fans.

Are you saying we as NA sports fans do not have this same right to reject what we do not hold value for and for whatever reasons we don't hold value to a sporting event?


We have to like and support something because European fans say so? You guys do not work that way that is for sure.

what makes us different?
 
I will definitely watch the olympic hockey. Obviously the absence of NHL players is unfortunate and it is sad, but it's still the olympics. And the players will still be representing Canada. Even if just for the fact that it is "different/unusual", that alone is enough for me to tune in. I believe the hockey will be great, just for the fact that those players from the top nations who would never have an opportunity to win an olympic medal otherwise, will now have that opportunity. Just imagine you are such player. You will leave everything on the line. You can be almost 100% sure that this opportunity will never come again.
 
Why? With the way Olympic bids are trending, there aren't many destinations attractive to NHL ownership on the horizon.

Nope and more and more cities are realizing how much of a farce it is to spend the money the IOC wants to grant the Olympics.

What needs to happen is smaller countries (land-wise) need to bid as a nation and only if they already have the necessary facilities. Larger countries bid as a region. For example, Northeast US. If it is the winter, hold events in Philly, NYC, Boston, skiing up in Vermont, bobsled and luge at Lake Placid,etc. Figure skating, hockey, can be spread around the arenas.
 
What do you mean we are too picky?

European fans to a man would not give the time of day to the recent world cup of hockey and you all gave us your reasons why and that's fine with me, it is your right as fans.

Are you saying we as NA sports fans do not have this same right to reject what we do not hold value for and for whatever reasons we don't hold value to a sporting event?


We have to like and support something because European fans say so? You guys do not work that way that is for sure.

what makes us different?

Since I started watching hockey I have been watching half of important tourneys at 2 am, like world cups, japan, us, canafian olympics etc. and you just described it as it is something new for you, which quite surprised me. It just generally looks that everything is suddenly shocking and new at least for NHL while the rest of the world can somehow handle it quite easily.

You are fully entitled to reject whatever you want. It is just harder and harder to predict what is valuable for NA fans when they can be completely crazy about U23 NA team and something like world cup no matter squares in Toronto were empty during finals. No offence, I fully respect and admire NHL and its legacy and achievement. Just its boss has obviously personal disorder nagotiating with everybody from "power" perspective pushing this league more and more to influence int. stage to be respected as the most important world power in hockey. It is disgusting, danger and out of any basic rules. That guy just cares about himself at first, then about NHL, then about NA fans and thats all. Iam quite fed up with his behaviour, he is like worm polishing his ego. I dont understand where that tolerance towards him and his decisions came from in North America. It just seems to me that NA fans respect and feel too loyal to NHL that they dont openly critize him (at least on int forums) because they feel they should stay together, ie NA fans with NHL, against the rest of the world.....
 
Since I started watching hockey I have been watching half of important tourneys at 2 am, like world cups, japan, us, canafian olympics etc. and you just described it as it is something new for you, which quite surprised me. It just generally looks that everything is suddenly shocking and new at least for NHL while the rest of the world can somehow handle it quite easily.

Being allowed to stay awake or get up for certain sport events is half the allure when you are a child. My dad used to wake me for the last few games of US open finales with Steffi Graf. It was a huge bonding thing I still remember.

Then again, I think it's less a nationality thing (even though the US market does get catered to the most with starting times outside of the FIFA World Cup) than it is a "which sport are you a fan of" thing. It's easier to get away with demanding everything in prime time when you are an American hockey fan or a European soccer fan. When you are a tennis or a formula one or boxing or whatever fan, you probably get over yourself at times everywhere in the world.
 
Being allowed to stay awake or get up for certain sport events is half the allure when you are a child. My dad used to wake me for the last few games of US open finales with Steffi Graf. It was a huge bonding thing I still remember.

Then again, I think it's less a nationality thing (even though the US market does get catered to the most with starting times outside of the FIFA World Cup) than it is a "which sport are you a fan of" thing. It's easier to get away with demanding everything in prime time when you are an American hockey fan or a European soccer fan. When you are a tennis or a formula one or boxing or whatever fan, you probably get over yourself at times everywhere in the world.

It's mostly just a matter of coinicidence. The majority of major sporting events in the world are simply either in Europe or the USA. By sheer luck a night game in Europe is midday in the Americas. In fact the biggest issue for some soccer leagues seem to be finding ways to get tv times for Asian markets.
 
Since I started watching hockey I have been watching half of important tourneys at 2 am, like world cups, japan, us, canafian olympics etc. and you just described it as it is something new for you, which quite surprised me. It just generally looks that everything is suddenly shocking and new at least for NHL while the rest of the world can somehow handle it quite easily.

You are fully entitled to reject whatever you want. It is just harder and harder to predict what is valuable for NA fans when they can be completely crazy about U23 NA team and something like world cup no matter squares in Toronto were empty during finals. No offence, I fully respect and admire NHL and its legacy and achievement. Just its boss has obviously personal disorder nagotiating with everybody from "power" perspective pushing this league more and more to influence int. stage to be respected as the most important world power in hockey. It is disgusting, danger and out of any basic rules. That guy just cares about himself at first, then about NHL, then about NA fans and thats all. Iam quite fed up with his behaviour, he is like worm polishing his ego. I dont understand where that tolerance towards him and his decisions came from in North America. It just seems to me that NA fans respect and feel too loyal to NHL that they dont openly critize him (at least on int forums) because they feel they should stay together, ie NA fans with NHL, against the rest of the world.....

I am not quite sure how you gathered that staying up late or getting up early to watch international hockey is new for me, it is not. I have been doing that for world juniors and olympics for ages now,i was up before the crows called to watch the sochi hockey, maybe something was lost in translation here?.

What I am saying is that I won't be watching at abnormal hours for olympic hockey without the best players because it is essentially meaningless for me now and most Canadians I have talked to seem to feel the same way, if they replay the Canadian games during prime time I may be induced to watch i suppose, it is hockey after all and eventhough it will now be a heavily watered down tournament that signifies absolutely nothing there will still be a team representing us.

There was a time before our best players could play that I would watch no matter what time because we could not send our best players and I wanted to support them and hope for the big upset, our miracle on ice so to speak. But the genie is out of the bottle now, we have had(everyone has) all our best now and I and many Canadians just cannot go back to 2nd rate olympic hockey in this day and age, it just isn't the same. It's now a bogus tourney that doesnt mean anything more then winning the spengler cup does, it really doesn't. Without nhl player involvement that is what it has been reduced to for most Canadians.

I do understand your frustration with the NHL over this matter and I agree with a lot of it but it's a money thing, just like the "world championships" are a money thing and where it is catered to European fans , I just don't and have never seen any backlash from european fans that it is 99.5 % always in Europe, they seem to be o.k with that.

It's a European tradition and party and they are just fine keeping it that way.


The NHL is doing what they think is best for their business and market in this matter, they could very well be wrong but they are following the same mental process that the IIHF does concerning the so called world championships, i don't see any unease or protest from European fans about it.Their attitude is, "hey, you didnt bid on it so don't complain to us about what times the games are on". They have always been rather smug about it!!

O.K, whatever I guess.


Hey, I would very much prefer the best pros stay playing in the olympics, it has brought a lot of joy to me as a Canadian fan. But i just do not see how what European fans want should play any part in their decision whether to play or not, they are such a tiny sliver of the NHL market, miniscule.And N.A fans are just a tiny sliver of the WHC market and it shows and decisions are made accordingly. Let's be honest, though you may be one of the precious few that actually do stay up at ungodly hours to watch the NHL games you are a fairly rare beast, there just are very few European fans doing that, they follow their domestic leagues mostly.

You can't expect it to be any different here.

Bottom line, it appears that the NHL is not going to the 2018 winter games and I and many Canadians won't be getting up at 3 a.m to watch Cory Emmerton and his ilk play for a gold medal that does not mean very much in our view.

I really believe you can understand this. Just because it would still be highly valued in Europe doesn't mean it will or even should be to us.
 
Last edited:
It's mostly just a matter of coinicidence. The majority of major sporting events in the world are simply either in Europe or the USA. By sheer luck a night game in Europe is midday in the Americas. In fact the biggest issue for some soccer leagues seem to be finding ways to get tv times for Asian markets.

Soccer leagues traditionally play in the afternoon and China is 6 hours ahead of most of Europe, so a typical Bundesliga game would start at 9:30pm in China. Premier League starts even earlier. Sure, there are a couple games per weekend that are in European prime time now and Japan is another hour ahead, but all in all it seems like a small problem for the leagues.
Maybe you mean UEFA should do something about the late ass Champions League times though and they should. I think those are horrible if you are in the same time zone already. It's on weekdays though, so not happening.
 
You are fully entitled to reject whatever you want. It is just harder and harder to predict what is valuable for NA fans when they can be completely crazy about U23 NA team and something like world cup no matter squares in Toronto were empty during finals. No offence, I fully respect and admire NHL and its legacy and achievement. Just its boss has obviously personal disorder nagotiating with everybody from "power" perspective pushing this league more and more to influence int. stage to be respected as the most important world power in hockey. It is disgusting, danger and out of any basic rules. That guy just cares about himself at first, then about NHL, then about NA fans and thats all. Iam quite fed up with his behaviour, he is like worm polishing his ego. I dont understand where that tolerance towards him and his decisions came from in North America. It just seems to me that NA fans respect and feel too loyal to NHL that they dont openly critize him (at least on int forums) because they feel they should stay together, ie NA fans with NHL, against the rest of the world.....

I've never before seen Bettman described as a guy who is viewed positively in North America. He has long been reviled in Canada, and even in USA where the NHL is often ignored he was long the default answer for worst commissioner in sports. He seems to have some popularity among younger fans, but that's probably because they have no basis for comparison (for him or more significantly for how the NHL was) since he has been commissioner for so long.
 

Ad

Ad