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Olympic boxer quits in tears against female who failed gender test
Imane Khelif was banned from the World Championships but allowed to compete at the Olympics.
www.express.co.uk
It sucked to watch and sad to see Carini in tears, but what can you do? They allowed Khelif to compete so it is what it is. Same thing happening in 2016 Olympics in the 800m to Canada's Melissa Bishop. She finished 4th where the top 3 'women' won all the medals including Caster Semenya winning gold.Olympic boxer quits in tears against female who failed gender test
Imane Khelif was banned from the World Championships but allowed to compete at the Olympics.www.express.co.uk
This is sort of IOC's own making by not adopting the standards of the boxing federations. But calling these athletes "men" (in the other thread) just because of their naturally higher testosterone production is both ignorant and insulting.It sucked to watch and sad to see Carini in tears, but what can you do? They allowed Khelif to compete so it is what it is. Same thing happening in 2016 Olympics in the 800m to Canada's Melissa Bishop. She finished 4th where the top 3 'women' won all the medals including Caster Semenya winning gold.
Um, to raise an uproar? I know it's easy for me to say, since I'm "just a guy on the internet", but quite frankly I'm disgusted that so few high profile female athletes/ex-athletes (well, there's Martina Navratilova and...mmm?) are being vocal about this shit.It sucked to watch and sad to see Carini in tears, but what can you do?
If you can't allow the likes of Khelif and Semenya to participate in Women's competitions at the Olympics, you're basically forcing them to go thru SRS if they want to participate (in the Men competitions, obviously).This is sort of IOC's own making by not adopting the standards of the boxing federations. But calling these athletes "men" (in the other thread) just because of their naturally higher testosterone production is both ignorant and insulting.
How is that in any way related to the Khelif situation?Um, to raise an uproar? I know it's easy for me to say, since I'm "just a guy on the internet", but quite frankly I'm disgusted that so few high profile female athletes/ex-athletes (well, there's Martina Navratilova and...mmm?) are being vocal about this shit.
Unfortunately, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Maybe someone has to die first, God forbid? I'm actually rather hoping that in one of the really big (non-martial art) sports like tennis, a some fairly mediocre male player suddenly decides that he's a woman, and WTA goes along with it, and then HE starts to dominate WOMEN's tennis, winning all the Grand Slam tournaments etc. Only then will people (both public and fellow athletes) truly wake up and see what stupid nonsense it is.
No one "decided that they're a woman", we're talking about women with DSD (or intersex traits) which is their innate condition.Um, to raise an uproar? I know it's easy for me to say, since I'm "just a guy on the internet", but quite frankly I'm disgusted that so few high profile female athletes/ex-athletes (well, there's Martina Navratilova and...mmm?) are being vocal about this shit.
Unfortunately, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Maybe someone has to die first, God forbid? I'm actually rather hoping that in one of the really big (non-martial art) sports like tennis, a some fairly mediocre male player suddenly decides that he's a woman, and WTA goes along with it, and then HE starts to dominate WOMEN's tennis, winning all the Grand Slam tournaments etc. Only then will people (both public and fellow athletes) truly wake up and see what stupid nonsense it is.
Yeah, I mean the Algerian boxer was literally abandoned by her father because she started boxing.No one "decided that they're a woman", we're talking about women with DSD (or intersex traits) which is their innate condition.
Sure we could draw the line differently, but that only redefines natural advantages rather than eliminates them. For intersex women that would mean exclusion from most sports while certain women's sports would still be dominated by individuals with high testosterone production.
You mean a country that has harsh laws against "acts of homosexuality" wouldn't support a trans woman? Well, i never!I find it fascinating that a Muslim country like Algeria would be totally fine with fielding a Trans that has been beaten by women before.
Or...maybe she's not Trans and this is just more pearl clutching by the usual people? Can't wait to see what the next manufactured outrage is.
Some common sense? Holy effin crap!!I find it fascinating that a Muslim country like Algeria would be totally fine with fielding a Trans that has been beaten by women before.
Or...maybe she's not Trans and this is just more pearl clutching by the usual people? Can't wait to see what the next manufactured outrage is.
Um, to raise an uproar? I know it's easy for me to say, since I'm "just a guy on the internet", but quite frankly I'm disgusted that so few high profile female athletes/ex-athletes (well, there's Martina Navratilova and...mmm?) are being vocal about this shit.
Unfortunately, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Maybe someone has to die first, God forbid? I'm actually rather hoping that in one of the really big (non-martial art) sports like tennis, a some fairly mediocre male player suddenly decides that he's a woman, and WTA goes along with it, and then HE starts to dominate WOMEN's tennis, winning all the Grand Slam tournaments etc. Only then will people (both public and fellow athletes) truly wake up and see what stupid nonsense it is.
It's impossible.I find it fascinating that a Muslim country like Algeria would be totally fine with fielding a Trans that has been beaten by women before.
Or...maybe she's not Trans and this is just more pearl clutching by the usual people? Can't wait to see what the next manufactured outrage is.
There are nine states in the US who refuse to repeal or rewrite laws targeting homosexual acts. They've had 21 years since the US Supreme Court ruled those kinds of state laws to be unconstitutional. Trans folks have no protection in most states in the US, and no federal protections. In fact, something like 778 anti-trans bills were introduced in states legislature between 2022 and 2023, with 113 of those bills passing into law. So far in 2024 over 600 bills have been introduced, and nearly 50 of those have passed into law. There are also a growing number of federal bills being introduced specifically aimed at trans people.You mean a country that has harsh laws against "acts of homosexuality" wouldn't support a trans woman? Well, i never!
She's not trans. Calm your inner Elon And JK Rowling mate.I find it fascinating that a Muslim country like Algeria would be totally fine with fielding a Trans that has been beaten by women before.
Or...maybe she's not Trans and this is just more pearl clutching by the usual people? Can't wait to see what the next manufactured outrage is.
Some people are born with differences in sexual development, or DSD, where chromosomes don’t fully correspond with the external genitals. For example, some people are born with one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, a condition known as 46, XY that results in much higher levels of testosterone compared to most female athletes.
In guidelines issued ahead of the Paris Games, the IOC urged media to avoid terms like “biological male,” “born male” or “born female” because these phrases “can be dehumanizing and inaccurate when used to describe transgender sportspeople and athletes with sex variations. A person’s sex category is not assigned based on genetics alone,” the “Portrayal Guidelines” read, “and aspects of a person’s biology can be altered when they pursue gender-affirming medical care.”
So this woman is vilified because her condition supposedly gives her magical advantages (despite the fact she competed in Tokyo and won precisely nothing) and yet Michael Phelps, who has quirks with his genetic makeup that gave him actual, honest to god advantages (less lactic acid production, double jointed to make kicks easier) isn't
make sense.
One is a legitimate advantage, the other is a falsehood made up by the likes of you so you have something to get mad at to feel better about your shitty standing in life."This dude is more flexible than other guys" vs "Woman-man hybrid fighting woman"
You thought that was a good comparison?
The fact that she's lost to other pure woman doesn't mean a damn thing in tems of even playing field. If anything it means she lost even with a likely unfair advantage
Nothing xenophobic about pointing out a country with regressive, backwards laws.Xenophobia is cool, I guess on HF.
Well this is an absolute yikes.One is a legitimate advantage, the other is a falsehood made up by the likes of you so you have something to get mad at to feel better about your shitty standing in life.
If she's a hybrid like you claim, then why did she lose in Tokyo? Why did she lose in the 2022 world championships? With the woman she lost to in the final coming out and saying she doesn't think she's cheating and point to the fact she's lost to 8 other women in her career? By your logic she's this unbeatable T-1000 because of her disorder.
Nothing xenophobic about pointing out a country with regressive, backwards laws. I'm sure you don't do this on a regular bases to those damn dirty libruls.
Yikes because you can't form an actual argument? I agree.Well this is an absolute yikes.
One is a legitimate advantage, the other is a falsehood made up by the likes of you so you have something to get mad at to feel better about your shitty standing in life.
If she's a hybrid like you claim, then why did she lose in Tokyo? Why did she lose in the 2022 world championships? With the woman she lost to in the final coming out and saying she doesn't think she's cheating and point to the fact she's lost to 8 other women in her career? By your logic she's this unbeatable T-1000 because of her disorder.
Nothing xenophobic about pointing out a country with regressive, backwards laws. I'm sure you don't do this on a regular bases to those damn dirty libruls.