GDT: Oilers@ LEAFS, 7:00pm, TV: TSN RADIO: TSN 1050

[Martin Skoula]

Marincin has already drawn 3, maybe 4 now in the handful of games he's been up. Ovechkin has more PP time than the Toronto Maple Leafs have had this year. The league needs to stop making games look artificially competitive. Bad teams should get blown out on the 10 penalties they take a game, good teams shouldn't be punished for playing a clean possession game.

 

[Anthrax442]

They'd get a good deal for him with his current salary me thinks

I don't even care if we geta defenseman back. Get a good deal if we can get a 1st and a prospect

 

[egd27]

It really is truly astonishing how they (well other fanbases in general) can't grasp this. We don't care about your teams. You clearly have a weird obsession with ours.

And yet we continue to post about what is going on in the opposing team's GDT's

 

[Erndog]

And yet we continue to post about what is going on in the opposing team's GDT's

Unprovoked vs. provoked.

 

[IPS]

Anyone care to take a stab at who's been the 3rd best scoring defensemen at ES in the league since November 20th when Keefe took over???

 

[Martin Skoula]

Unprovoked vs. provoked.

People did it for the Vancouver games and the Islanders. Talking about their GDT isn't any less sad just because we say we don't care.

 

[al secord]

This is where we separate the men from the son of god.

 

[MyBudJT]

Anyone care to take a stab at who's been the 3rd best scoring defensemen at ES in the league since November 20th when Keefe took over???

Anyone care to take a stab at who is the most efficient ES scorer is, against divisional rivals, at home, on Mondays, while blindfolded?

You can cherry pick any stat, if you'd like...

 

[al secord]

Anyone care to take a stab at who is the most efficient ES scorer is, against divisional rivals, at home, on Mondays, while blindfolded?

You can cherry pick any stat, if you'd like...

Tyson Barrie?

 

[Cams]

I don't even care if we geta defenseman back. Get a good deal if we can get a 1st and a prospect

Since when does a team going for it make a trade like this? This is the kind of deal a seller makes. Why not make a deal for futures for Muzzin too while you're at it?

 

[IPS]

Anyone care to take a stab at who is the most efficient ES scorer is, against divisional rivals, at home, on Mondays, while blindfolded?

You can cherry pick any stat, if you'd like...

Even strength scoring is a cherry-picked stat?!

Barrie has been on for 24 goals for and 15 goals against under Keefe as well.

It blows my god damn mind how much the media influences people's opinions on players.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Even strength scoring is a cherry-picked stat?!

Barrie has been on for 24 goals for and 15 goals against under Keefe as well.

It blows my god damn mind how much the media influences people's opinions on players.

If he played the exact same way but was 6'4, they'd be talking about how we have to re-sign the next Burns for 8x10.

 

[egd27]

Anyone care to take a stab at who is the most efficient ES scorer is, against divisional rivals, at home, on Mondays, while blindfolded?

You can cherry pick any stat, if you'd like...

Expected or actual?

 

[HolyCrap]

Marincin has already drawn 3, maybe 4 now in the handful of games he's been up. Ovechkin has more PP time than the Toronto Maple Leafs have had this year. The league needs to stop making games look artificially competitive. Bad teams should get blown out on the 10 penalties they take a game, good teams shouldn't be punished for playing a clean possession game.

It’s impossible. The refs actually favour the leafs. Just ask the mainboards

 

[ShaneFalco]

Even strength scoring is a cherry-picked stat?!

Barrie has been on for 24 goals for and 15 goals against under Keefe as well.

It blows my god damn mind how much the media influences people's opinions on players.

Meh there's just posters who dislike certain players and won't change their minds....ever

 

[MyBudJT]

Even strength scoring is a cherry-picked stat?!

Barrie has been on for 24 goals for and 15 goals against under Keefe as well.

It blows my god damn mind how much the media influences people's opinions on players.

1) Selecting a stat that nobody is disputing - No one is suggesting barrie is useless offensively.
2) Selecting a metric that better suits your argument - Had he been a better PP producer, no doubt you would have selected points
3) Pretending that nothing before Keefe's arrival matters

YES, you're very much cherry picking

You must be a fan of Ceci, then. Ceci has been on for 15GF and 10 GA since Keefe's arrival, despite getting significantly less Ozone opportunities, and not playing behind Matthews all the time.

Its odd that you're claiming media influences people's opinions on players... considering I haven't heard any media members criticize Barrie like at all....

 

[xsiej00]

I’m not opened to trading Barrie. Team is looking and performing well right now. I believe he can find his game under Keefe, as he can take it to the next level. But as @ACC1224 said, there is no harm in exploring possibilities for Dubas. No doubt he will engage Keefe in possible discussions about outcomes of trading Tyson. We may not know about these discussions...

 

[IPS]

1) Selecting a stat that nobody is disputing - No one is suggesting barrie is useless offensively.
2) Selecting a metric that better suits your argument - Had he been a better PP producer, no doubt you would have selected points
3) Pretending that nothing before Keefe's arrival matters

YES, you're very much cherry picking

You must be a fan of Ceci, then. Ceci has been on for 15GF and 10 GA since Keefe's arrival, despite getting significantly less Ozone opportunities, and not playing behind Matthews all the time.

Its odd that you're claiming media influences people's opinions on players... considering I haven't heard any media members criticize Barrie like at all....

1) No worries my man, Barrie's defensive metrics are actually really solid under Keefe too.
2) the Leafs currently have the best PP in the league. I don't think they're doing that in spite of Barrie. He's a phenomenal transition player.
3) Babcock is and was a total moron. Barrie has thrived under both Bednar and Keefe - two superior coaches. He led the Avs in TOI last playoffs who were 1 win away from the WCF.

And no, I've rarely ever said a bad word about Ceci. You can check my posting history if you like. He obviously has his limitations but he's proven to be effective in his role.

 

[IPS]

I’m not opened to trading Barrie. Team is looking and performing well right now. I believe he can find his game under Keefe, as he can take it to the next level. But as @ACC1224 said, there is no harm in exploring possibilities for Dubas. No doubt he will engage Keefe in possible discussions about outcomes of trading Tyson. We may not know about these discussions...

There's no harm in exploring trade possibilities for Matthews either.

For the record - I'm 100% all for trading Barrie if it improves the team.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

1) Selecting a stat that nobody is disputing - No one is suggesting barrie is useless offensively.
2) Selecting a metric that better suits your argument - Had he been a better PP producer, no doubt you would have selected points
3) Pretending that nothing before Keefe's arrival matters

YES, you're very much cherry picking

You must be a fan of Ceci, then. Ceci has been on for 15GF and 10 GA since Keefe's arrival, despite getting significantly less Ozone opportunities, and not playing behind Matthews all the time.

Its odd that you're claiming media influences people's opinions on players... considering I haven't heard any media members criticize Barrie like at all....

The PP is best in the league since Barrie was moved on to it, so he's probably doing something right there.
Why would Babcock's idiotic attempt at reinventing a good #1 defenseman be a good measure for his actual ability? It's not. I know you are a big fan of Ceci, since you said he was better than Barrie. Now you're seeing how well that opinion is aging

 

[kb]

If you trade Barrie, you have to make at least 2 trades, and face the very real risk of breaking up with the team has going on now.

It's just plain dumb to consider at this point unless it's a slam dunk.

Add to the D. Don't subtract from it. The Leafs have wingers out the wazoo. Use those to get a Dylan DeMelo or similar.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Even strength scoring is a cherry-picked stat?!

Barrie has been on for 24 goals for and 15 goals against under Keefe as well.

It blows my god damn mind how much the media influences people's opinions on players.

For a bit of clarity, what are his ozs in that time as well?

 

[IPS]

For a bit of clarity, what are his ozs in that time as well?

He's started 58.3% of his shifts in the offensive zone under Keefe. Nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever for a defenseman of his mold.

 

[Anthrax442]

Since when does a team going for it make a trade like this? This is the kind of deal a seller makes. Why not make a deal for futures for Muzzin too while you're at it?

Barrie adds nothing to the lineup over what Sandin would bring.

 

[stickty111]

Barrie adds nothing to the lineup over what Sandin would bring.

Sandin brings nowhere close to the offense Barrie brings. Also Lilly brings the same thing as Muzzin. Lets move him too right?