Proposal: Oilers-Habs

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ElPrimeTime

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I hate to be this guy... but here goes:

To Edmonton:
Carey Price with 30% retention

To Montreal:
Tyson Barrie
Mike Smith
Raphael Lavoie or similar prospect
2023 Conditional 1st (1st if Price plays 45 games in 2022-2023, 2023 3rd if he does not)
2024 Conditional 1st (1st if the Oilers make the Western Finals in either 2023 or 2024 and Price wins 4 games, 2024 2nd if Oilers make the Playoffs in either season, 2024 3rd if the Oilers don't make the playoffs either year)

Rationale: If healthy and winning, Oilers get price at $7.35M for 5 years. If he's not healthy, Oilers have an LTIR player while trading away Barrie's contract for some middle round picks. For the Habs, they get a PP QB for the next couple of years, Smith has one more year to tandem with Allen or to deal to another team needing a veteran back up, a prospect and potentially 2 1st round picks.

I know this has been beaten to death before regarding Price's value vs. his contract, but figured I'd give it another shot.
 

ChaoticOrange

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Too much IMO. One first and a good prospect I can see, but I don’t think Barrie has no value. Smith certainly has no value but he’s an easy buyout if it comes to that. Price is a huge, huge gamble. Even with the conditions on the deal, too rich for my blood.
 

Kudo Shinichi

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No chance habs do this.
Its basically Barrie with a 7.65 M contract + Smith + Lavoie+ 2nd+3rd for Price at 7.35 M.

They swap their franchise overpaid goalie for an overpaid defenseman (adding Price's retention) to only get back a 2nd+3rd and a meh prospect.
 
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BLNY

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I hate to be this guy... but here goes:

To Edmonton:
Carey Price with 30% retention

To Montreal:
Tyson Barrie
Mike Smith
Raphael Lavoie or similar prospect
2023 Conditional 1st (1st if Price plays 45 games in 2022-2023, 2023 3rd if he does not)
2024 Conditional 1st (1st if the Oilers make the Western Finals in either 2023 or 2024 and Price wins 4 games, 2024 2nd if Oilers make the Playoffs in either season, 2024 3rd if the Oilers don't make the playoffs either year)

Rationale: If healthy and winning, Oilers get price at $7.35M for 5 years. If he's not healthy, Oilers have an LTIR player while trading away Barrie's contract for some middle round picks. For the Habs, they get a PP QB for the next couple of years, Smith has one more year to tandem with Allen or to deal to another team needing a veteran back up, a prospect and potentially 2 1st round picks.

I know this has been beaten to death before regarding Price's value vs. his contract, but figured I'd give it another shot.

I'll give you points for creating a concise and well thought out proposal. The exchange of cap hits is really close. Edmonton attempts to address the goalie position without touching their core group.

I had the opportunity to see Raphael Lavoie a lot in Halifax. I'm not sure what his play has been like in Bakersfield aside from reading the stat sheet. He's a rangy guy that can protect the puck well and create scoring chances, but he's pretty soft. I was still interested in picking him if he was available in the second. Could be an Armia type of player.

The draft picks have meaningful conditions on them, but I don't think you get both. Maybe the games played conditional first is a conditional second for 50 games, 3rd for 40, etc.

I know a lot of Oilers fans will run away, but I think it's a reasonable starting point.
 

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If Price returns, this is horrendous for Montreal. They cold get better elsewhere
 
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pth2

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I'll give you points for creating a concise and well thought out proposal. The exchange of cap hits is really close. Edmonton attempts to address the goalie position without touching their core group.
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I know a lot of Oilers fans will run away, but I think it's a reasonable starting point.
In fairness, he does spell out his thinking and it makes sense and takes both team's needs into account, so it's a better than average proposal.

As a Habs fan, I've come to think retaining on Price is just too much of a risk - if he gets hurt and goes on indefinite LTIR, we are still retaining for the duration of the contract, so I'm far more interested in getting bad contracts back than retaining.

But if ever Price is dealt, this is the kind of deal that makes the most sense of everything I've seen to date, so kudos to OP for that.
 

Garbageyuk

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There is nothing in that offer that is even enticing enough to go through the trouble from a MTL perspective. Also, Price’s contract is an albatross even with retention. Price is 35, injured, and dealing with personal/substance abuse issues. There likely isn’t a team in the league that would even take him for free.
 
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KrakenFan92

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The only way Price plays for another team is if he agrees to a mutual buyout like Kane so he can sign to whatever team he wants. Otherwise he’s stuck in Montreal.
 

zar

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I hate to be this guy... but here goes:

To Edmonton:
Carey Price with 30% retention

To Montreal:
Tyson Barrie
Mike Smith
Raphael Lavoie or similar prospect
2023 Conditional 1st (1st if Price plays 45 games in 2022-2023, 2023 3rd if he does not)
2024 Conditional 1st (1st if the Oilers make the Western Finals in either 2023 or 2024 and Price wins 4 games, 2024 2nd if Oilers make the Playoffs in either season, 2024 3rd if the Oilers don't make the playoffs either year)

Rationale: If healthy and winning, Oilers get price at $7.35M for 5 years. If he's not healthy, Oilers have an LTIR player while trading away Barrie's contract for some middle round picks. For the Habs, they get a PP QB for the next couple of years, Smith has one more year to tandem with Allen or to deal to another team needing a veteran back up, a prospect and potentially 2 1st round picks.

I know this has been beaten to death before regarding Price's value vs. his contract, but figured I'd give it another shot.
4 more years at $7.35m… not a chance.

An on again, off again, GOLAIE is too big a risk for that salary/cap hit and those assets.

I wish Carey Price all the best in his recovery and hope he gets healthy again but there is no timeline for this type of illness. He could come back for 20 games, off for 20, on for 10, off for 25… as a GM, how do you manage the cap and a position as difficulty as goaltending.
 
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TFHockey

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I hate to be this guy... but here goes:

To Edmonton:
Carey Price with 30% retention

To Montreal:
Tyson Barrie
Mike Smith
Raphael Lavoie or similar prospect
2023 Conditional 1st (1st if Price plays 45 games in 2022-2023, 2023 3rd if he does not)
2024 Conditional 1st (1st if the Oilers make the Western Finals in either 2023 or 2024 and Price wins 4 games, 2024 2nd if Oilers make the Playoffs in either season, 2024 3rd if the Oilers don't make the playoffs either year)

Rationale: If healthy and winning, Oilers get price at $7.35M for 5 years. If he's not healthy, Oilers have an LTIR player while trading away Barrie's contract for some middle round picks. For the Habs, they get a PP QB for the next couple of years, Smith has one more year to tandem with Allen or to deal to another team needing a veteran back up, a prospect and potentially 2 1st round picks.

I know this has been beaten to death before regarding Price's value vs. his contract, but figured I'd give it another shot.

What the living f**k. How is Cary Price worth anywhere near this?

Even if Montreal attached at 1st to him for future considerations I'd say no.

What a god awful trade for Edmonton.
 

HOPE

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Too much IMO. One first and a good prospect I can see, but I don’t think Barrie has no value. Smith certainly has no value but he’s an easy buyout if it comes to that. Price is a huge, huge gamble. Even with the conditions on the deal, too rich for my blood.
Agreed. Price is too much of a gamble for anyone at this point. He doesn’t make sense for Montreal anymore either but he’a gotta show some stability before getting moved.
 

Captain Mountain

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In fairness, he does spell out his thinking and it makes sense and takes both team's needs into account, so it's a better than average proposal.

As a Habs fan, I've come to think retaining on Price is just too much of a risk - if he gets hurt and goes on indefinite LTIR, we are still retaining for the duration of the contract, so I'm far more interested in getting bad contracts back than retaining.

But if ever Price is dealt, this is the kind of deal that makes the most sense of everything I've seen to date, so kudos to OP for that.

We're still not sure if we've reached that point already. We're in the midst of a 2nd season that Price has mostly missed due to injury. There are rumours that Weber's contract may be traded because Montreal doesn't want him and Price LTIRetired on the cap.
 

Patagonia

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I hate to be this guy... but here goes:

To Edmonton:
Carey Price with 30% retention

To Montreal:
Tyson Barrie
Mike Smith
Raphael Lavoie or similar prospect
2023 Conditional 1st (1st if Price plays 45 games in 2022-2023, 2023 3rd if he does not)
2024 Conditional 1st (1st if the Oilers make the Western Finals in either 2023 or 2024 and Price wins 4 games, 2024 2nd if Oilers make the Playoffs in either season, 2024 3rd if the Oilers don't make the playoffs either year)

Rationale: If healthy and winning, Oilers get price at $7.35M for 5 years. If he's not healthy, Oilers have an LTIR player while trading away Barrie's contract for some middle round picks. For the Habs, they get a PP QB for the next couple of years, Smith has one more year to tandem with Allen or to deal to another team needing a veteran back up, a prospect and potentially 2 1st round picks.

I know this has been beaten to death before regarding Price's value vs. his contract, but figured I'd give it another shot.


Proposal is so bad for the Oilers. Price is garbage with his age, injury history and horrendous contract. Don't care if the salaries are comparable, these players have some value and could be offloaded elsewhere.

Lock this up.
 

General Fanager

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Price has little to no value at all. Maybe negative value actually.

If he comes back and plays well all of next season then maybe at the deadline there is something there but for now....boat anchor.
 

rockinghockey

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If Price returns, this is horrendous for Montreal. They cold get better elsewhere
Good luck moving Price on a better deal than this. No way am giving 1 st round pick let alone two of them. Barrie is not a terrible contract at 4.5 mil x 2 yrs. Five more years 10 mil I think not.
 
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Boss Man Hughes

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Proposal is so bad for the Oilers. Price is garbage with his age, injury history and horrendous contract. Don't care if the salaries are comparable, these players have some value and could be offloaded elsewhere.

Lock this up.
Lavoie is a 4th liner. Smith is garbage. Barrie should bring back something decent in a trade. If it was 2 firsts with the conditions mentioned and no Barrie its a pretty fair trade.
 
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