Offseason Roster Moves, Rumors, and Discussion

[majormajor]

Yet they know Fantilli probably takes a big chunk of the #1 c this year , and the league knows they are looking for someone to slot in that #2 spot . If you want your team to finish bottom 3 in the league , you roll out Boone on your top powerplay and top2 lines as a center .

You could have a solid good team with Boone as 2C.

Fantilli is probably better off on the wing for a couple years. Something like Lindholm - Jenner as a 1-2 center would be better, then eventually Fantilli - Lindholm. Voronkov might also make a reallly good 2C if he's around.

 

[Viqsi]

Yet they know Fantilli probably takes a big chunk of the #1 c this year , and the league knows they are looking for someone to slot in that #2 spot . If you want your team to finish bottom 3 in the league , you roll out Boone on your top powerplay and top2 lines as a center .

Teams he'd be #1C or #2C on for the same reasons he's #1C/#2C here:
Anaheim
Seattle
Utah

Teams he'd be definitely #2C, and possibly even #1C:
Boston
Philadelphia (yes, Couturier has fallen that far)
San Jose
Washington

Teams he would be the #2C on or who already have a #2C comparable in production to him:
Buffalo
Calgary
Carolina
Chicago
Colorado
Detroit
Florida
Los Angeles
Minnesota
Montreal
Nashville
Ottawa
Tampa Bay (they've arguably got two such guys, actually)
Winnipeg

Teams he'd be #3C on:
Edmonton
New Jersey
NYI (a case could be made that Nelson is equivalent tho)
NYR
Pittsburgh
St. Louis (Buchnevich just looked that good at C, go figure)
Toronto
Vancouver
Vegas (barely)

Teams where he'd be even further down the depth chart because OMFG no wonder they're seen as cup favorites:
Dallas


Honestly, on further review, I think we have this theory that Boone is "ideally a #3C" because he likely would be on four out of the seven other Metro teams, regardless of whether or not they're actually doing well with same.

 

[KJ Dangler]

You could have a solid good team with Boone as 2C.

Fantilli is probably better off on the wing for a couple years. Something like Lindholm - Jenner as a 1-2 center would be better, then eventually Fantilli - Lindholm. Voronkov might also make a reallly good 2C if he's around.

Disagree .. Production isn’t there to slot in as a #2 c.. Fantilli cruises by Boone his rookie year if he stays healthy . Sillinger was probably a bit more productive , in much less ice time . Boone doesn’t set up his linemates

 

[majormajor]

Disagree .. Production isn’t there to slot in as a #2 c.. Fantilli cruises by Boone his rookie year if he stays healthy . Sillinger was probably a bit more productive , in much less ice time . Boone doesn’t set up his linemates

40 pts as a 2C would be fine. He could hit that even in a couple minutes less of 5v5.

Fantilli outscoring Boone doesn't make Fantilli a better fit at center. Those are two different things.

 

[Viqsi]

Disagree .. Production isn’t there to slot in as a #2 c..

Boone managed about 0.6 points per game, which is the same as or superior to the #2Cs of literally two thirds of the league, including a few playoff contenders. One of which (Florida) is still in the hunt.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Not sure if I want him but what about Sean Monahan? Was he ever linemates with Gaudreau? If so, did they have any success? My preference, Reinhart 1st, Lindholm 2nd, and not sure between Monahan and Stephenson. Also Reinhart is listed as RW. Does he still play C? What about Stamkos? Also sounds like PP good, 5 on 5, no good.

 

[KJ Dangler]

40 pts as a 2C would be fine. He could hit that even in a couple minutes less of 5v5.

Fantilli outscoring Boone doesn't make Fantilli a better fit at center. Those are two different things.

Proofs in the pudding .. you are playing with Gaudreau , Laine , Marchenko.. you are playing 1:30 of every powerplay . Let’s not pretend we can take his 33 points , playing 21 minutes a night and apply that to #2 c production . He doesn’t lift up players around him

 

[Viqsi]

Proofs in the pudding .. you are playing with Gaudreau , Laine , Marchenko.. you are playing 1:30 of every powerplay . Let’s not pretend we can take his 33 points , playing 21 minutes a night and apply that to #2 c production . He doesn’t lift up players around him

We're poised to have a sizeable number of highly capable wingers. Being a physical Determinator-type finisher is exactly what a lot of those guys need.

 

[Viqsi]

Not sure if I want him but what about Sean Monahan? Was he ever linemates with Gaudreau? If so, did they have any success? My preference, Reinhart 1st, Lindholm 2nd, and not sure between Monahan and Stephenson.

Reinhart's renissance has come on the wing alongside Barkov. That and I think the bidding for him is going to be insane.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Boone managed about 0.6 points per game, which is the same as or superior to the #2Cs of literally two thirds of the league, including a few playoff contenders. One of which (Florida) is still in the hunt.

There are many teams on your Boone would be a #2 center , that there’s not a chance . Colorado has Mackinnon , Middlestadt .. Florida has Barkov , Reinhart , Bennett.. Detroit Larkin Fabri.. LA has kopitar, Danault And hold your nose , PLD…

 

[Viqsi]

There are many teams on your Boone would be a #2 center , that there’s not a chance . Colorado has Mackinnon , Middlestadt .. Florida has Barkov , Reinhart, Detroit Larkin Fabri.. if we were to go in detail , many more would come off that list

I did go in detail. Mittlestadt is comparable to Boone - there's a reason Avs fans kept pestering us for him. Reinhart and Fabbri actually are wingers; by this logic we're already set at C because we've got Laine.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I did go in detail. Mittlestadt is comparable to Boone - there's a reason Avs fans kept pestering us for him. Reinhart and Fabbri actually are wingers; by this logic we're already set at C because we've got Laine.

Moddlestadt has more assist this year , than Boone had total points . Middlestadt 18g 39 a.. 58 points ..

 

[Viqsi]

Moddlestadt has more assist this year , than Boone had total points . Middlestadt 18g 39 a.. 58 points ..

Mittelstadt also missed fewer games. I said they're comparable, not that Boone was clearly superior. And you're now nitpicking desperately at a single edge case in an attempt to discredit two thirds of the League worth of evidence.

 

[majormajor]

Proofs in the pudding .. you are playing with Gaudreau , Laine , Marchenko.. you are playing 1:30 of every powerplay . Let’s not pretend we can take his 33 points , playing 21 minutes a night and apply that to #2 c production . He doesn’t lift up players around him

The proof is indeed in the pudding. The pudding where Gaudreau scored at a much higher per minute rate with Boone than he did with Fantilli or Sillinger or Voronkov.

Boone's pudding in front of the net on the PP was also pretty good.

Ideally we can get a better center so Boone can play a few shifts less but that's a different argument from whether he should be separated from Gaudreau.

 

[KJ Dangler]

The proof is indeed in the pudding. The pudding where Gaudreau scored at a much higher per minute rate with Boone than he did with Fantilli or Sillinger or Voronkov.

Boone's pudding in front of the net on the PP was also pretty good.

Ideally we can get a better center so Boone can play a few shifts less but that's a different argument from whether he should be separated from Gaudreau.

And if that’s the production you are getting out of Gaudreau, it’s time to close down shop . He doesn’t lift players up around him . Lots of work hard , effort goals .. As I said , he played nearly all of every powerplay this year .. powerplay amongst the leagues worst .. played beside Gaudreau .. managed 13 assist ..

 

[Viqsi]

And if that’s the production you are getting out of Gaudreau, it’s time to close down shop . He doesn’t lift players up around him . Lots of work hard , effort goals .. As I said , he played nearly all of every powerplay this year .. powerplay amongst the leagues worst .. played beside Gaudreau .. managed 13 assist ..

I see this listed as a complaint and am inclined to come to the conclusion that your objections to Boone have absolutely nothing to do with his actual on-ice production or demonstrated results or even his comparable output to most of the League's #2Cs and instead are entirely due to his not being flashy and skilled enough to seem like a "proper" top-6 guy, in defiance of the existence - nay, the necessity - of said players in the top-6 of literally every single team in the League.

 

[CBJx614]

At the end of the day the line numbers and the TOI breakdown is moot. The best teams, the teams that go deep into the playoffs and win the cups are deep teams. So what if Jenner is a 2/3C that can occasionally play first line minutes, good playoff teams need that type of player when their 1/2C goes down in the first round of the playoffs. What we need is to make sure we have that true top line talent just as much as we need to make sure we have that versatile depth. Adding a center in the FA might not be such a bad idea if we're smart about it and we're not handcuffing ourselves a few years down the line. We have to walk the fine line of having talented NHL talent NOW vs not blocking the path for the kids by signing a older player long term on a risky contract

But at the same time..having so many talented kids on ELC and bridge deals creates an mini window for a super competitive team if you can put the right pieces together

 

[KJ Dangler]

I see this listed as a complaint and am inclined to come to the conclusion that your objections to Boone have absolutely nothing to do with his actual on-ice production or demonstrated results or even his comparable output to most of the League's #2Cs and instead are entirely due to his not being flashy and skilled enough to seem like a "proper" top-6 guy, in defiance of the existence - nay, the necessity - of said players in the top-6 of literally every single team in the League.

You are comparing him to other #2c , when he played 21 min night and 1:30 out of every powerplay ?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I see this listed as a complaint and am inclined to come to the conclusion that your objections to Boone have absolutely nothing to do with his actual on-ice production or demonstrated results or even his comparable output to most of the League's #2Cs and instead are entirely due to his not being flashy and skilled enough to seem like a "proper" top-6 guy, in defiance of the existence - nay, the necessity - of said players in the top-6 of literally every single team in the League.

This has been people’s unstated beef with Boone for years. Reason reasons reasons but this has been at the misplaced heart.

 

[Ice9]

The fact that 8 billion threads about Boone Jenner trades appeared at the deadline tell me what I need to know. He's not a prolific scorer nor a dynamic leader but HE IS a guy a coach can point to and say, "See that guy? Play like him".
Teams are looking for Boone Jenners every year. We got one.

 

[KJ Dangler]

The fact that 8 billion threads about Boone Jenner trades appeared at the deadline tell me what I need to know. He's not a prolific scorer nor a dynamic leader but HE IS a guy a coach can point to and say, "See that guy? Play like him".
Teams are looking for Boone Jenners every year. We got one.

No doubt .. he’s a guy you want on your team.. when Elias Lindholm played along side Johnny Gaudreau , he put up 42g and 40a… Boone put up a whopping 13 assists this year .. Boone has played 20 min a night the past 3 seasons.. that’s #1 minutes , and he’s put up 44, 45, and 35 points . That’s playing top powerplay (amongst leagues worst ), playing along side Gaudreau. His numbers are propped up, especially trying to apply what he’s done and equate that to 2nd line center production . Ideally he’s a 3rd line winger that can play up if you need him to . But yes , you ABSOLUTELY separate him from Gaudreau which is why they would be targeting a Reinhart, Lindholm .. to give Fantilli time to grow into that role .

 

[Monstershockey]

No doubt .. he’s a guy you want on your team.. when Elias Lindholm played along side Johnny Gaudreau , he put up 42g and 40a… Boone put up a whopping 13 assists this year .. Boone has played 20 min a night the past 3 seasons.. that’s #1 minutes , and he’s put up 44, 45, and 35 points . That’s playing top powerplay (amongst leagues worst ), playing along side Gaudreau. His numbers are propped up, especially trying to apply what he’s done and equate that to 2nd line center production . Ideally he’s a 3rd line winger that can play up if you need him to . But yes , you ABSOLUTELY separate him from Gaudreau which is why they would be targeting a Reinhart, Lindholm .. to give Fantilli time to grow into that role .

Boone isn't a playmaker so he won't put up a ton of assists. He just needs to be the net front guy, setting screens and cleaning up rebounds. That type of job doesn't lead to a ton of assists. Plus he is a solid special teams guy. Net front guy on the PP, not a job to get assists, and not many chances for assists on the PK. There are more pressing things to fix than Jenner's game.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Jaxs]

When teams call about Greaves, the reply will be sorry Jet stays but can we interest you in an Elvis?

 

[VT]

No doubt .. he’s a guy you want on your team.. when Elias Lindholm played along side Johnny Gaudreau , he put up 42g and 40a… Boone put up a whopping 13 assists this year .. Boone has played 20 min a night the past 3 seasons.. that’s #1 minutes , and he’s put up 44, 45, and 35 points . That’s playing top powerplay (amongst leagues worst ), playing along side Gaudreau. His numbers are propped up, especially trying to apply what he’s done and equate that to 2nd line center production . Ideally he’s a 3rd line winger that can play up if you need him to . But yes , you ABSOLUTELY separate him from Gaudreau which is why they would be targeting a Reinhart, Lindholm .. to give Fantilli time to grow into that role .

Lindholm is a better center than Jenner, also played in the Gaudreau - Lindholm - M. TKACHUK line and not with a young guy/Roslovic/A. Nylander. Plus D. Sutter was a coach and Calgary played great.