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hamzarocks said:
Robertson should get at minimum 10-15 games in a top 6 scoring role

No value I developing the guy at the AHL level

If the organization is confident about him give him the look at LW2. Leafs showed first 10 games don't matter last year as they came out poor then dominated the rest of the way

Use those games as a period to get a potential huge future piece NHL familiar and help his confidence.

Additionally I think we move hirvonen + 1st at the deadline for Patty Kane @75% to go all in

A high price but not crippling and we get to add a still superstar to a team with about 3 of them (34, 16 and maybe 44)
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Do you not think Chicago can get more than Hirvonen and a 1st for Kane (retained)?
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Not really sure what you're trying to say. We're not at a shortage of top-9 players. Even if we turned two 10-12 players into another top-9 player, that wouldn't change the fact that there's no reason to play our worse players more, our best players less, and put everybody in sub-optimal situations and configurations.
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I don't find this a complicated scenario.

Pay more for a better player, a player is a legitimate top 9 forward rather than a player you hope can play top 9.

Maybe a player who can contribute in the playoffs.

Of course doing the same thing that hasn't worked is an option.
 
It would likely include Knies.

I go back and forth on if I make that trade, and I really think it comes down how the team looks at the TDL. If it's like last year and we have lots of question marks, I keep Knies. If we look as good as I think we do, I might consider it.
 
All Mod Cons said:
Do you not think Chicago can get more than Hirvonen and a 1st for Kane (retained)?
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Mayne they could depends on which contender is looking to buy

Oilers
Flames

Are some other CAD ones but I don't think he waives to go there

From the States

Pens - they don't really have prospects better than hirvonen who are available

Caps - likewise and they probably are looking to retool

Canes - legit threat if he waives. Have better pieces then 1st + hirvonen

Avs - Another legit threat with some nice pieces they could deal (newhook being the main one which leafs can't match)

Boston - used most of their young trade assets on lindholm

Panthers - have basically nothing left outside of denisenko/the WHL winger propsect both who aren't much ahead of hirvonen due to disappointing post draft years

Tampa - no assets now

Those are all the serious contenders who I see going into the year who would be in on Kane at the deadline

Toronto, Avs, Canes, Pens I think are the four key destinations.

I would be fine to offer a bit more than Hirvonen + 1st but only if there is a bidding war. Shouldn't put Knies on the table or Robertson imo for a TD rental. For Chchyuran sure as he's 3 years and young and can replace Muzzin.

Kane you pay a trade deadline price not the price you'd pay to acquire Patrick Kane on his name value alone
 
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MuadDib said:
It would likely include Knies.

I go back and forth on if I make that trade, and I really think it comes down how the team looks at the TDL. If it's like last year and we have lots of question marks, I keep Knies. If we look as good as I think we do, I might consider it.
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There is no way I include Knies in a trade at this point. It might prove to be a mistake on my behalf but we don't have a player or prospect other than him that has his potential. If he develops to his potential, he's the player we are still looking for. Kane would be a luxury for this team, I believe the need will be a hard nosed player that can make teams look over their shoulders.

But as I said that might be a mistake on my behalf.
 
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The Masters said:
Keefe hoping Gaudette brings same production as Bunting did. He can't do that playing on the 4th line.

If Robertson doesnt take over that 2nd line slot, look for Gaudette to get a chance
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I read somewhere Gaudette put on almost 15 lbs from this time last year.
Hopefully good lbs, I might have put on a few since last year too but I am not bragging about it.
 
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Adam Gaudette, as a 21-year-old junior, led the entire NCAA with 60 points (30 goals, 30 assists) in 38 games that season. He was named the Hobey Baker Award winner as the NCAA’s best player in 2017-18.

That is the player the Leafs are trying to re-discover,

However Zach Aston-Reese. was Adam Gaudette linemate at Northeastern University for two NCAA seasons. Aston-Reese was the highest scorer on the team for the 2016-17 season with 31 goals and 32 assists (for 63 points) in 38 games. Gaudette was the third-highest scorer that season with 26 goals and 26 assists (for 52 points) in 37 games.

I wouldn't be surprised if the original test does not work that the Leafs go back to ZAR and Gaudette duo to see if they can rekindle that spark and chemistry of the past.
 
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Knies iT said:
Douglas is going to have his hands full in that group 2 game. Almost guaranteed to see him fight either Kastelic/Sabourin/Boucher.

Should have split up Simmonds/Clifford.
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If he's fighting any of those, then he's not really having his hands full.
 
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Adam Gaudette, as a 21-year-old junior, led the entire NCAA with 60 points (30 goals, 30 assists) in 38 games that season. He was named the Hobey Baker Award winner as the NCAA’s best player in 2017-18.

That is the player the Leafs are trying to re-discover,

However Zach Aston-Reese. was Adam Gaudette linemate at Northeastern University for two NCAA seasons. Aston-Reese was the highest scorer on the team for the 2016-17 season with 31 goals and 32 assists (for 63 points) in 38 games. Gaudette was the third-highest scorer that season with 26 goals and 26 assists (for 52 points) in 37 games.

I wouldn't be surprised if the original test does not work that the Leafs go back to ZAR and Gaudette duo to see if they can rekindle that spark and chemistry of the past.
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To me these are prayers for hope. The fact that we are always hoping that somehow a player with a past name would workout is concerning. Sure Bunting worked out, but for every Bunting we seem to be chasing that Vesey, Joe Thornton, Simmonds, Galenchyuk

Gaudette shouldn't even be part of top 6 discussion. He'll be an asset bottom 3 and that's where the expectation should really be

Will I be happy if Gaudette scores 20 goals this year, you bet. But put me in a camp where I am skeptical him of making top 6. This screams of another Alex Galyenchuk experiment to me
 
fahad203 said:
To me these are prayers for hope. The fact that we are always hoping that somehow a player with a past name would workout is concerning. Sure Bunting worked out, but for every Bunting we seem to be chasing that Vesey, Joe Thornton, Simmonds, Galenchyuk

Gaudette shouldn't even be part of top 6 discussion. He'll be an asset bottom 3 and that's where the expectation should really be

Will I be happy if Gaudette scores 20 goals this year, you bet. But put me in a camp where I am skeptical him of making top 6. This screams of another Alex Galyenchuk experiment to me
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Alex Galchenyuk actually kind of paid off, except for that one brutal play. I think Gaudette is more like Vesey, where he will end up off the team
 
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Mess said:
Put Jarnkrok on the line and the better FO player takes the draw and you could flip Nylander and Jarnkrok ..

Nylander ---- Jarnkrok --- Marner
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Not opposed to it. But does that mean you have JT on the third line? Can't have $11m on the 3rd line. That means Nylander is on his wrong side (he doesn't like playing LW I remember him complaining about his Swedish world Junior coach playing him there and he wasn't happy with it).

Don't think it works out well.


If you wanted to spread the offense Only way I see it working is.

Bunting - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Robertson - JT - Marner
Engvall - kerfoot - Nylander
ZAR - Kampf - AK

If Matthews can still make the top line potent with 2 grinders like Crosby can I don't see why not try it out, But then you can argue that you aren't maximizing on your opportunity by not playing him with Marner. And we're back to square one.
 
ULF_55 said:
I don't find this a complicated scenario.
Pay more for a better player, a player is a legitimate top 9 forward rather than a player you hope can play top 9.
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I don't find this a complicated scenario either. We don't need to pay more to anybody. We don't need to trade anybody. We have a good group of forwards, and we should play our better forwards more than our worse forwards, and in situations and configurations that play to our player's strengths - like, for example, playing our best playmaker with our best goal scorer. People are way overthinking things.
 
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Stephen said:
They’re trying to make him into a Bunting aren’t they?
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Unlike Bunting who had only played 26 career NHL games prior to joining the Leafs - Gaudette has 218 games played with 3 different teams and has probably showed nothing special in pretty well all of them.
 
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