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Lafleurs Guy

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LaP said:
It's not always a step back though sometimes it's just the kids struggling. I don't think the Avs took a step back in 2016-2017. They finished last in the NHL with 48 points in 2016-2017 and the following year they made the playoffs with pretty much the same lineup and coach.
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A 'step back' can be part of the process. I thought we'd have a much better year with a healthy Dach. Then Laine got hurt, RB got hurt, Roy didn't even make the team... awful before the year even began. Then Dach basically shat the bed... :laugh:

The whole team doesn't look right. Suzuki and CC's possession numbers are way off. They've managed to put up respectable numbers but I thought both guys would have career years...

We are definitely 'off' this year. I was hoping we'd turned the corner but two stinkers in a row throws cold water on that.
 
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ReHabs

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CristianoRonaldo said:
Hockey is fast, one day you are great, the next you are a bust.

Dach was our future #2C, he's playing like garbage.
Slaf was a unicorn, today he can barely do something on ice.
The team is lost defensively.

Maybe the problem is somewhere else, hopefully.
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When so much is going sideways the problem has to be resolved in a step-wise manner:

1. Make a roster move
2. Trade a main player away or acquire a main player
3. Change the coach

This is the order of operations unless the GM already dislikes the coach. Kenny Hughes has been sitting on his hands, it seems.
 
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ReHabs said:
When so much is going sideways the problem has to be resolved in a step-wise manner:

1. Make a roster move
2. Trade a main player away or acquire a main player
3. Change the coach

This is the order of operations unless the GM already dislikes the coach. Kenny Hughes has been sitting on his hands, it seems.
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There is no better time to panic and make a bad move and set the rebuild back than during a season we had almost no chance of making the playoffs. You guys aren't built for rebuild hockey. xD
 
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OneSharpMarble said:
There is no better time to panic and make a bad move and set the rebuild back than during a season we had almost no chance of making the playoffs. You guys aren't built for rebuild hockey. xD
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No one said anything about a panic move. No one wants to trade a core player for peanuts or to buy a rental. Cutting a bad performer loose or acquiring a player who brings a new dimension is what I’m suggesting.

Anyway, can you define ‘rebuild hockey’? Curious if the definition includes “… and everyone plays worse than last year including the 1OA who just signed a mega contract”. Yeah, personally speaking I can’t handle it when the much praised 1OA pick doesn’t play hockey and the other major acquisitions of the GM all lay huge eggs… I can’t handle the implications that we’re in the wrong hands. I’d rather not think that.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
Why does it have to be a bad move?
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You want to sell low, you want to rip apart people learning how to play together and start over and when the new group goes through a bad time you are gonna want to rip them apart again. You found a great way for perpetual rebuild. Trading a young player at their lowest value is almost always a bad move, you think you are gonna get value for these guys at their bottom?
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
A 'step back' can be part of the process. I thought we'd have a much better year with a healthy Dach. Then Laine got hurt, RB got hurt, Roy didn't even make the team... awful before the year even began. Then Dach basically shat the bed... :laugh:

The whole team doesn't look right. Suzuki and CC's possession numbers are way off. They've managed to put up respectable numbers but I thought both guys would have career years...

We are definitely 'off' this year. I was hoping we'd turned the corner but two stinkers in a row throws cold water on that.
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same thing happened to New Jersey last year.. Everyone thought they we a SC contender, and poof - bottom feeder again. Now back to Contender... They added much needed holes with solid trades, we will have to do the same this summer and Hugo knows this..

There is no point whatsoever in chasing a playoff spot this year, but rather get the ship steady and finish somewhere in the bottom 7.

In this range: a Legit 1/2C can be had. (Hagens, Misa, Frondell, McQueen)
Add in CGY (or FLA) 1st which I hope is btw 11-15 and we have ourselves a possible 1/2RHD: Hensler, Trethewey, or Mrtka.. Not sure about you guys but that addition would be huge for us.
plus 2x high 2nd rounders (MTL/PITT) 32-36 range.

Hugo will have to do his darndest to rid our roster of the dead weight this summer, and add a "ready" 2C legit Vet (like a Crosby) to lead by example until Hage, Beck and/or whomever we draft this year are ready to make the jump.

Heading into next year our C depth then becomes:
Suzuki
(summer acquisition 2C)
Hage
(Hagens, Misa, Frondell, McQueen)
Beck
Kappinen

Our RHD depth then becomes:
Rainman
Mailloux
Hensler, Trethewey, or Mrtka
 
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Jurivan Demidovsky

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We need Schaefer, this team will get nowhere without a true #1 defenseman

This could be the future D-core, Schaefer would change everything.

Schaefer - Mailloux
Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Xhekaj
Engström

And what if Demidov could play center in the NHL? We could be looking at something like this in the future:

Slafkovski - Demidov - Hage
Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Beck - Xhekaj

Goalies?

Fowler
Dobes
 
rahad

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Jurivan Demidovsky said:
We need Schaefer, this team will get nowhere without a true #1 defenseman

This could be the future D-core, Schaefer would change everything.

Schaefer - Mailloux
Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Xhekaj
Engström

And what if Demidov could play center in the NHL? We could be looking at something like this in the future:

Slafkovski - Demidov - Hage
Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Beck - Xhekaj

Goalies?

Fowler
Dobes
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the team will also go nowhere with out any #1 center. Do we need more of a #1 center or Defenseman? Our center prospect is kinda weak.
 
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26Mats said:
Happy for the tank that we play Saturday afternoon in New York, and then 3pm the next day against a rested Bruins team.
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Funny thing is, both Rangers and Bruins are going through a rough patch, so you would think Habs actually got upset them. But the truth is, if there's any team that can get them out of their funks, it's the Habs. :laugh:
 
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Jurivan Demidovsky said:
We need Schaefer, this team will get nowhere without a true #1 defenseman

This could be the future D-core, Schaefer would change everything.

Schaefer - Mailloux
Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Xhekaj
Engström

And what if Demidov could play center in the NHL? We could be looking at something like this in the future:

Slafkovski - Demidov - Hage
Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Beck - Xhekaj

Goalies?

Fowler
Dobes
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but why swap winger-Demidov for centre Hage??
 
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Jurivan Demidovsky

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rahad said:
the team will also go nowhere with out any #1 center. Do we need more of a #1 center or Defenseman? Our center prospect is kinda weak.
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I think maybe Schaefer is too good to pass up, I'm not sure if there's a real #1 center in this draft..

Maybe I'm dreaming but I see Demidov as a center.
 
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themilosh said:
but why swap winger-Demidov for centre Hage??
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Hage won't be here for a couple years, and Demidov is here next season, so my scenario would have given him a head start at center over Hage in the NHL. But if Hage could take away the 1C position from Suzuki that would be a great thing, I'm far from being convinced that could ever happen. Demidov on the other hand has super star potential at both positions. Suzuki / Hage could be a good 1 - 2 punch
 
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Jurivan Demidovsky said:
Hage won't be here for a couple years, and Demidov is here next season, so my scenario would have given him a head start at center over Hage in the NHL. But if Hage could take away the 1C position from Suzuki that would be a great thing, I'm far from being convinced that could ever happen. Demidov on the other hand has super star potential at both positions. Suzuki / Hage could be a good 1 - 2 punch
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Hage is not going to take over the 1C spot from Suzuki.. he's a classic 2C.. very good 2C..
Demidov is a winger, enough of this Centre talk. We don't need to reinvent Demidov.. why? Bc we dont have a 2C? Screw that.. did Washington ever consider putting Ovechkin at C? No..
 
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