OT: Official Bears/NFL Thread XXVIII: Are you ready for some football? Circle one - Y N

[IU Hawks fan]

All corporations test for it

Umm....no.

 

[TorMenT]

You can keep saying it's against the law all you want. It's irrelevant to the discussion. The NHL doesn't waste their time including it among its banned substances, and they seem to be doing just fine.

Players do a lot of dumb things under the influence of alcohol, with all those millions invested in them, but no one seems to have a problem with them drinking because it would be idiotic to ban it. The same should apply to weed IMO, especially since it doesn't seem to hurt their performance.

Clearly your agenda is to legalize weed. That's irrelevant. It's illegal at a federal level now, and is against the rules in the NFL. It's really as simple as that. If the only things that matter are if it affects their play, then they should get Hernandez back on the field, because his past murders didn't affect his play.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Clearly your agenda is to legalize weed. That's irrelevant. It's illegal at a federal level now, and is against the rules in the NFL. It's really as simple as that. If the only things that matter are if it affects their play, then they should get Hernandez back on the field, because his past murders didn't affect his play.

Well put

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Umm....no.

Ok most jobs test for drug use

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Texans pass on QB at #33

Interesting

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Clearly your agenda is to legalize weed. That's irrelevant. It's illegal at a federal level now, and is against the rules in the NFL. It's really as simple as that. If the only things that matter are if it affects their play, then they should get Hernandez back on the field, because his past murders didn't affect his play.

Clearly your agenda is to keep it illegal. That's irrelevant. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean the NFL has to test for it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. If a player continues to get in trouble with the law because of it, then I could understand.

I brought up his on the field performance because people use it as an example of why it should be banned. Clearly, it did not affect his performance.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Jerry has the phone

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Clearly your agenda is to keep it illegal. That's irrelevant. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean the NFL has to test for it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. If a player continues to get in trouble with the law because of it, then I could understand.

I brought up his on the field performance because people use it as an example of why it should be banned. Clearly, it did not affect his performance.

32 owners + NFLPA agree its to be banned and its is against law

Just give it up already

And Crack Cocaine didn't effect LT's on field performance ,, Guess NFL should have allowed that?

 

[madgoat33]

They don't have to test for an illegal drug, but they do, the players know they do, yet they smoke it anyway. That's their fault.

 

[TorMenT]

Clearly your agenda is to keep it illegal. That's irrelevant. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean the NFL has to test for it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. If a player continues to get in trouble with the law because of it, then I could understand.

I brought up his on the field performance because people use it as an example of why it should be banned. Clearly, it did not affect his performance.

I don't have an agenda, as I honestly don't care either way if it's illegal or legal. Fact is though, it's against the law right now. Beating women is against the law right now. If beating women became legal, I'd still expect the league to suspend someone if they did it.

Currently, someone is breaking the law if they smoke Marijuana. They are also not following their employers rules and standards. The question isn't whether they should be testing for it, it's ARE they testing for it. If your employer says, you can't use this drug, by working for that employer you agree not to use that drug.

Arguing whether it's right or wrong that it's legal/illegal, or that it's a rule of the NFL is pointless, because at the time he smoked it, it was illegal and against the rules. That's the fact.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Ok most jobs test for drug use

Most jobs do not. It's very common in retail and anywhere you'd operate machinery. That's really about it.

All that being said, everything I've heard is that the NFL's testing is a joke. Every player knows when they're coming, and once you pass you're good for the year. You have to be a real idiot to fail.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

32 owners + NFLPA agree its to be banned and its is against law

Just give it up already

And Crack Cocaine didn't effect LT's on field performance ,, Guess NFL should have allowed that?

Give up on what? I said it was dumb that he'll be suspended and you got upset.

Your last point is a straw man.

I don't have an agenda, as I honestly don't care either way if it's illegal or legal. Fact is though, it's against the law right now. Beating women is against the law right now. If beating women became legal, I'd still expect the league to suspend someone if they did it.

Currently, someone is breaking the law if they smoke Marijuana. They are also not following their employers rules and standards. The question isn't whether they should be testing for it, it's ARE they testing for it. If your employer says, you can't use this drug, by working for that employer you agree not to use that drug.

Arguing whether it's right or wrong that it's legal/illegal, or that it's a rule of the NFL is pointless, because at the time he smoked it, it was illegal and against the rules. That's the fact.

You keep stating the obvious. I understand that it's banned/illegal, and that he agreed not to use it when he signed the contract. My issue is that they waste their time even worrying about something so harmless in the first place. I don't know you would care so much that I don't agree with the policy.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Also his suspension last year wasn't weed ,, It was testing positive for codeine

He claimed he accidently took cough syrup containing it ,, It is also primary ingredient in Purple Drank so who knows what really happen (Up to people to decide if a guy who failed 3 previous drug tests in college for recreational drug use accidently took it or purposely took it)

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Give up on what? I said it was dumb that he'll be suspended and you got upset.

Your last point is a straw man..

Hey you opened door for LT + Crack comparable

Against law like Weed , Against league rules like weed and didn't impact LT"s on field performance

By your own logic it is perfectly fine and acceptable for player to smoke crack and play in NFL without punishment as long as he does well on field while using

 

[TorMenT]

You keep stating the obvious. I understand that it's banned/illegal, and that he agreed not to use it when he signed the contract. My issue is that they waste their time even worrying about something so harmless in the first place. I don't know you would care so much that I don't agree with the policy.

You started this whole "argument" by saying "what a stupid reason to suspend someone". It's actually a very good reason to suspend someone. He broke the rules, that typically in life results in consequences.

I don't know why you think I'm caring a lot about your stance on the policy, that doesn't matter. What I am advocating is that the policy is in place, so the suspension totally makes sense.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Raiders select Carr

I think they finally have a QB

 

[Illinihockey]

@sportspickle: Fun Fact: Ray Rice knocked his fiancee out and dragged her through a casino. He will be punished less than the guy who smoked a joint.

 

[TorMenT]

@sportspickle: Fun Fact: Ray Rice knocked his fiancee out and dragged her through a casino. He will be punished less than the guy who smoked a joint.

To be fair, "knocking your fiancee out and dragging her through a casino" isn't specifically in the NFL's rules I'm sure

 

[BK201]

I think we're going LB this round.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

You started this whole "argument" by saying "what a stupid reason to suspend someone". It's actually a very good reason to suspend someone. He broke the rules, that typically in life results in consequences.

I don't know why you think I'm caring a lot about your stance on the policy, that doesn't matter. What I am advocating is that the policy is in place, so the suspension totally makes sense.

I understand that the policy is in place, and that he should currently be suspended because of the policy. What I meant was that it's a stupid reason to suspend someone in the first place, and an idiotic rule to have.

This should have been obvious.

 

[madgoat33]

Because they don't want their players smoking weed. Just like a ton of companies all accross the country

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Hey you open eddoor for LT + Crack comparable

Against law like Weed , Against league rules like weed and didn't impact LT"s on field performance

By your own logic it is perfectly fine and acceptable for player to smoke crack and play in NFL without punishment as long as he does well on field while using

Crack is a much more harmful drug than weed. It's laughable that you'd even bring it up.

But I honestly could care less if LT smoked crack.

 

[TorMenT]

There goes Hageman to the Falcons. That was one player a few people wanted on the Bears.

 

[chicagoskycam]

@sportspickle: Fun Fact: Ray Rice knocked his fiancee out and dragged her through a casino. He will be punished less than the guy who smoked a joint.

Which kind of proves a point.

Should Gordan be suspended? Yes, he violated a known rule that would impact his career. In addition, he had a history already.

Should the NFL revisit their substance abuse policy? Yes. Weed is no different than alcohol in terms of recreational use. It is legal in some states and legal in more for medicinal purposes.

... it's all good as long as you have been diagnosed for ADD, then you can obtain legal speed. Probably the most dangerous thing they have going on right now. The NFL has no issue with it.

 

[BK201]

I'm prolly gonna go smoke in a couple minutes.