Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

Now that we are in the 6th spot, I've reviewed highlights of Desnoyers, Hagens, Frondell, and O'Brien. I have not looked at any scouting videos. As I'm watching clips, I'm writing notes simultaneously.

Caleb Desnoyers:
  • Will go to dirty areas; numerous goals are scored in those areas.
  • I'm not seeing an issue with the skating; he seems to have all the burst he needs when he needs it. Numerous times, he goes from his edges to explosion with the puck and creates a ton of space and time—and when he wants to get away, he does.
  • Really good passer. Head up; will change angles; consistently finds guys in good space and sets up the passing angle well ahead of time.
  • His shot seems to be average, but with decent accuracy.
  • Hands are better than I thought based on posts and limited live viewing (all at the tournaments).
  • Will push the puck. Pace is not an issue with his game.
  • Might be slightly perimeter-oriented with the puck, but goes to greasy areas without it consistently.
  • Head is always up when he has the puck.
Overall: Great passer, especially cross-ice and into danger areas. Has a feel for that part of the game. Skating overall seems decent—maybe not a burner, but certainly fast enough, and his edges seem good. Good hands in close. I'm really not seeing the narrative that he's this "safer" pick with a limited ceiling. I see a very good complement to Michkov as well—he’ll tee him up for tons of goals. I would not be upset with this pick.

James Hagens:
  • Another player with a great feel for passing and setting up teammates.
  • High IQ.
  • Seemed to take a back seat this year and really didn’t look for his shot—passed it up too many times, in my opinion. A bit of a red flag. He’s going to need to want to get his a bit more at the next level.
  • He’s very calm with the puck; will change directions and hold onto it. Didn’t have the puck on his stick enough at BC (was that on him, his linemates, or a bit of both?).
  • Definitely a 2-on-1 merchant—maybe a third of his college points came from those.
  • Good in tight spaces.
  • Not seeing much grit in his game in any zone.
  • Decent shot; not great.
  • More perimeter-oriented.
  • Doesn’t seem to have a strong stick—he has great hands, but too often had poor puck control when accepting passes or trying to get his shot off. He’s too good for that to happen.
Overall: Not as impressive as I originally thought, though I do think a lot of his issues were linemate-driven. Still, there are certainly some question marks. Very perimeter-oriented. Not really taking guys on one-on-one. Most of his points came off 2-on-1 situations. My memory of the previous year was different than the player I saw this year, and I'm not sure how to reconcile the two.

Anton Frondell
  • It’s always interesting to see video from the bigger ice surface—it certainly affects how I see players, both good and bad.
  • I’m not in love with the skating, but it’s not bad. I haven’t seen enough video to make a full determination. In a couple of clips, his stride looks choppy; in others, it looks better.
  • He can score goals—in a bunch of different ways (wrist shots, slap shots, one-timers, breakaways); in close, from outside the circle—and he does not panic when trying to get off his shot. There’s a nice, easy fluidity to his release, and he generates a ton of power.
  • He also has no problem going to greasy areas to score and shows zero hesitation.
  • I see the center/winger debate and have no answer, but he plays on the wing and looks like one.
  • If you draft him, I’m not sure it’s to play with Michkov.
  • Good pace; very north-south type player.
  • Couldn't really get a feel for IQ. Would need to watch full games and not just highlights.
Overall: He’s a shoot-first player. I think he ends up a winger, though I’m sure any team that drafts him top 8 will try him at center first. Bottom line: his shot is his calling card—it could be elite. I’m not seeing anything else that pops as more than average to above average. I’m very confused about what his upside is after watching.

Jake O'Brien.
  • Sweet mitts. His hands pop—he just seems to have quick hands and a very good handle.
  • Not sure how good the shot is, but his release seems to be quick enough.
  • He glides a lot with the puck. Doesn’t keep his feet moving—especially under pressure. It doesn’t seem to hurt him against this level of competition, but it’s definitely something to be concerned about.
  • Great vision, especially on the power play. Finds seams consistently.
  • Don’t love the skating; don’t hate it. Nothing pops, though—is that because half the time his feet aren’t moving?
  • A lot of his points are on the PP. Would love to see him live to get a feel for chance creation at even strength.
Overall: His calling card seems to be his passing and his hands. He’s a very talented player. Skating and shot seem average—he’s definitely not going to skate by most NHL players. Needs to work on his explosion. He was not as perimeter-oriented as I thought (power play work on the wall notwithstanding).

This post is as much for me—to see in a few years how close to right (or wrong) I am—as anything else. Though I’m no scout and only pretend to be one on this board, I do think I know the game a bit. That said, so much of evaluating a player comes from watching game after game after game. That’s when you get a better feel for compete, defensive awareness, and IQ. I just don’t have the time to dig in that deep.

With that said, the player that surprised me the most in a good way was Desnoyers; in a bad way, Hagens. O’Brien is who I thought he was, based on reading this board and others. Frondell is an enigma—I’m not sure what I think about him.

It was a fun exercise, let's hope the Flyers pick the right guy (even if not one of these).
 
TIL that the Flyers having 7 of the top 48 picks in this Draft is the most any team has had in the top 48 in the modern era.

I’ll bet my third kidney that they will do one or both of the following:

1.) trade up at a spot

2.) package a pick or two for an NHL piece


They aren’t picking 7 times. Remember they’re the anti-Carolina. They consolidate picks because they believe they know better.
 
I’ll bet my third kidney that they will do one or both of the following:

1.) trade up at a spot

2.) package a pick or two for an NHL piece


They aren’t picking 7 times. Remember they’re the anti-Carolina. They consolidate picks because they believe they know better.

I don't mind if they trade up in the 1st but trading up in the 2nd is clearly a fools errand.

I'd rather they try to pry Isaac Howard or Mavrick Bourque with some of those picks then use them all or trade up, etc.
 
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you guys serioysly better #buckleup... now that its offical weve been bumped back, you can be sure DB is preparing to trade back the 6th pick for a couple of 13-20 range pick nobodies...

then he will also package up some other remaining picks for an washed up reclamation NHLer..

and thats your 25/26 season draft done and we come away with nothing that moves the needle yet again..
 


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Since Rimouski is hosting the Memorial Cup, and they are playing Moncton in the QMJHL Finals, Moncton gets an automatic spot in the cup, right?

Desnoyers can raise or hurt his stock. As of now he’s my realistic hope for 6
 
Now that we are in the 6th spot, I've reviewed highlights of Desnoyers, Hagens, Frondell, and O'Brien. I have not looked at any scouting videos. As I'm watching clips, I'm writing notes simultaneously.

Caleb Desnoyers:
  • Will go to dirty areas; numerous goals are scored in those areas.
  • I'm not seeing an issue with the skating; he seems to have all the burst he needs when he needs it. Numerous times, he goes from his edges to explosion with the puck and creates a ton of space and time—and when he wants to get away, he does.
  • Really good passer. Head up; will change angles; consistently finds guys in good space and sets up the passing angle well ahead of time.
  • His shot seems to be average, but with decent accuracy.
  • Hands are better than I thought based on posts and limited live viewing (all at the tournaments).
  • Will push the puck. Pace is not an issue with his game.
  • Might be slightly perimeter-oriented with the puck, but goes to greasy areas without it consistently.
  • Head is always up when he has the puck.
Overall: Great passer, especially cross-ice and into danger areas. Has a feel for that part of the game. Skating overall seems decent—maybe not a burner, but certainly fast enough, and his edges seem good. Good hands in close. I'm really not seeing the narrative that he's this "safer" pick with a limited ceiling. I see a very good complement to Michkov as well—he’ll tee him up for tons of goals. I would not be upset with this pick.

James Hagens:
  • Another player with a great feel for passing and setting up teammates.
  • High IQ.
  • Seemed to take a back seat this year and really didn’t look for his shot—passed it up too many times, in my opinion. A bit of a red flag. He’s going to need to want to get his a bit more at the next level.
  • He’s very calm with the puck; will change directions and hold onto it. Didn’t have the puck on his stick enough at BC (was that on him, his linemates, or a bit of both?).
  • Definitely a 2-on-1 merchant—maybe a third of his college points came from those.
  • Good in tight spaces.
  • Not seeing much grit in his game in any zone.
  • Decent shot; not great.
  • More perimeter-oriented.
  • Doesn’t seem to have a strong stick—he has great hands, but too often had poor puck control when accepting passes or trying to get his shot off. He’s too good for that to happen.
Overall: Not as impressive as I originally thought, though I do think a lot of his issues were linemate-driven. Still, there are certainly some question marks. Very perimeter-oriented. Not really taking guys on one-on-one. Most of his points came off 2-on-1 situations. My memory of the previous year was different than the player I saw this year, and I'm not sure how to reconcile the two.

Anton Frondell
  • It’s always interesting to see video from the bigger ice surface—it certainly affects how I see players, both good and bad.
  • I’m not in love with the skating, but it’s not bad. I haven’t seen enough video to make a full determination. In a couple of clips, his stride looks choppy; in others, it looks better.
  • He can score goals—in a bunch of different ways (wrist shots, slap shots, one-timers, breakaways); in close, from outside the circle—and he does not panic when trying to get off his shot. There’s a nice, easy fluidity to his release, and he generates a ton of power.
  • He also has no problem going to greasy areas to score and shows zero hesitation.
  • I see the center/winger debate and have no answer, but he plays on the wing and looks like one.
  • If you draft him, I’m not sure it’s to play with Michkov.
  • Good pace; very north-south type player.
  • Couldn't really get a feel for IQ. Would need to watch full games and not just highlights.
Overall: He’s a shoot-first player. I think he ends up a winger, though I’m sure any team that drafts him top 8 will try him at center first. Bottom line: his shot is his calling card—it could be elite. I’m not seeing anything else that pops as more than average to above average. I’m very confused about what his upside is after watching.

Jake O'Brien.
  • Sweet mitts. His hands pop—he just seems to have quick hands and a very good handle.
  • Not sure how good the shot is, but his release seems to be quick enough.
  • He glides a lot with the puck. Doesn’t keep his feet moving—especially under pressure. It doesn’t seem to hurt him against this level of competition, but it’s definitely something to be concerned about.
  • Great vision, especially on the power play. Finds seams consistently.
  • Don’t love the skating; don’t hate it. Nothing pops, though—is that because half the time his feet aren’t moving?
  • A lot of his points are on the PP. Would love to see him live to get a feel for chance creation at even strength.
Overall: His calling card seems to be his passing and his hands. He’s a very talented player. Skating and shot seem average—he’s definitely not going to skate by most NHL players. Needs to work on his explosion. He was not as perimeter-oriented as I thought (power play work on the wall notwithstanding).

This post is as much for me—to see in a few years how close to right (or wrong) I am—as anything else. Though I’m no scout and only pretend to be one on this board, I do think I know the game a bit. That said, so much of evaluating a player comes from watching game after game after game. That’s when you get a better feel for compete, defensive awareness, and IQ. I just don’t have the time to dig in that deep.

With that said, the player that surprised me the most in a good way was Desnoyers; in a bad way, Hagens. O’Brien is who I thought he was, based on reading this board and others. Frondell is an enigma—I’m not sure what I think about him.

It was a fun exercise, let's hope the Flyers pick the right guy (even if not one of these).
Schaefer can be a very high end/star player. The rest of the supposed top 6 guys, even Misa, are not “sure” things. Just a weak year. It happens. Keep the sane goalies and hope for McKenna. The non-die hard fans and podcasters can deal . . .
 
Since Rimouski is hosting the Memorial Cup, and they are playing Moncton in the QMJHL Finals, Moncton gets an automatic spot in the cup, right?

Desnoyers can raise or hurt his stock. As of now he’s my realistic hope for 6
My first ranking i had Des at 4. I've eased up on him and now have him at 6. If we get him at 6, i'll be happy.

Charlie O'connor said something i agree with. At 4, they take someone in that second tier of prospects.

At 6? They may not like the remaining second tier prospects and they go off board - and i agree
 
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I keep flip flopping on Brady Martin. Either way I’ve come to the conclusion that he would be an infinitely easier pick to stomach than Jett Luchanko and I like Luchanko

I’m no follower of the Soo Greyhounds but their team seem uninspiring at best. Part of me says that if he had a better team his stats would pop more and it’s not like his 33 goals in 57 games is bad. Is his WJC just a hot streak or is it more indicative of what he would be on a stronger team?

Is there any advanced stat that is indicative of success in the NHL comparing a prospect’s output to the quality of his teammates? Also his +/- stands out in a good way on his team in a positive way though it’s often a useless stat. Martin is +25. The next closest is +10 and there are only 5 + players on Soo so I’m not sure how to read into an outlier like that
 
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My first ranking i had Des at 4. I've eased up on him and now have him at 6. If we get him at 6, i'll be happy.

Charlie O'connor said something i agree with. At 4, they take someone in that second tier of prospects.

At 6? They may not like the remaining second tier prospects and they go off board - and i agree
They will pass on Eklund they have Eklund available I am going insane
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Leaving with nothing to show would be better than leaving with another midde sixer like Luchanko IMO.

This team needs upside. If McQueen is a guy they think can be a home run then take the swing. We swung for the fences on Michkov and knocked it out of the park. Could’ve been a strikeout if SKA or Putin held him hostage. But it was worth the gamble.

If it’s McQueen or a middle six talent, take the risk.

That being said, I’m hoping a better talent without injury issues (Frondell or Hagens) might be there for us instead.
Thanks for your reply. I can't fully agree because another Luchanko would still be a valuable trade piece (not that the Flyers would trade but let's stay hypothetical). If there is one hockey franchise that really shouldn't overlook a glaring injury risk, it is Philadelphia.
 
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McQueen's draft value is being seriously overrated imo but so has everyone elses rankings been a total disconnect from all the footage I watched. either im an idiot or everyone else is.

Please watch Eklund play some hockey it's quite something. Watch the other centers and compare them to Desnoyers and think about their projectable 75%ile upside... I like Jackson Smith too.
 
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McQueen's draft value is being seriously overrated imo but so has everyone elses rankings been a total disconnect from all the footage I watched. either im an idiot or everyone else is.

Please watch Eklund play some hockey it's quite something. Watch the other centers and compare them to Desnoyers and think about their projectable 75%ile upside... I like Jackson Smith too.
He was number 5 on my first list. I absolutely love Eklund. Absolutely love him. in fact, he's who i'm taking in my dynasty league with my top 7 pick. But zero chance we take him, which is unfortunate
 
He was number 5 on my first list. I absolutely love Eklund. Absolutely love him. in fact, he's who i'm taking in my dynasty league with my top 7 pick. But zero chance we take him, which is unfortunate
I think if we psyop Comcast into thinking Eklund is like an unfortunate child with a powerful story for virtue signalling we can get him... the flyers love project players and underdogs.
 
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My first ranking i had Des at 4. I've eased up on him and now have him at 6. If we get him at 6, i'll be happy.

Charlie O'connor said something i agree with. At 4, they take someone in that second tier of prospects.

At 6? They may not like the remaining second tier prospects and they go off board - and i agree
Charlie is a disgrace. He should know the Flyers aren’t talent evaluators who should go off the board. He’s also in a position to ask the difficult questions.

Why does Flahr have the job security of the King of England? Has he taken accountability for the Flyers punting on the 2024 draft for the supposedly stronger 2025 draft? What did he accomplish in Minny of Phila to earn this kind of trust???
 
This team man. Worst “luck” ever. How is it that teams like the Pens and Blackhawks know just when to tank and get picks.
They are on record as targeting this draft. What's funny is I don't know if they're that dumb, or they just said it to look good at the time. I lean towards the latter, as I have a hard time believing they actually do enough work to try to predict a draft class over a year away.
 

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