Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season V: Baseball's back and so are blockbusters (Jays send 4 prospects to A's for 3B Matt Chapman)

[canucksfan]

Wonder how much cash is going to the Rockies?

 

[Woodman19]

I think the biggest thing that jumps to mind for me is, Pinch runner.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Anybody a little bit worried it's just two years of Chapmann and then we lose him to free agency? I know it'll be a good two years but with having to pay our own big guns I wonder if we can retain him.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Avilaj07]

Anybody a little bit worried it's just two years of Chapmann and then we lose him to free agency? I know it'll be a good two years but with having to pay our own big guns I wonder if we can retain him.

2 years is actually a perfect time frame for us. We don't have to resign him. It gives both Groshans and Martinez time to learn under the best defensive 3rd baseman in the game. In 2 years, one of those two will definitely be our full time 3rd baseman.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Wonder how much cash is going to the Rockies?

 

[Morgs]

Anybody a little bit worried it's just two years of Chapmann and then we lose him to free agency? I know it'll be a good two years but with having to pay our own big guns I wonder if we can retain him.

Nope, its kind of the idea. Should coincide perfectly for when Orlevis is ready for a full-time role at 3B and may get a pick if there is still compensation for FA.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Tilapia?

 

[Bjindaho]

While Fangraphs didn't rank Pinto, BA had him as Colorado's 19th best prospect.

 

[trellaine201]

Tapia should be great in extra innings with a runner on 2B. Sub him in?

 

[Woodman19]

Anybody a little bit worried it's just two years of Chapmann and then we lose him to free agency? I know it'll be a good two years but with having to pay our own big guns I wonder if we can retain him.

No because we acquired and paid him to produce for the 2 years we have him, not for the years we dont.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Lmao that video.

How the hell does one have a launch angle of -5 degrees?

 

[MS]

Grichuk seemed like a good guy and I hope he does well in Colorado.

But I'm happy to not be riding the rollercoaster of his quick starts and terrible slumps anymore, and happy that this likely means that Gurriel is staying.

The long stretch in the middle of last season where a cratering Grichuk was getting ABs over a red-hot Gurriel because 'lots of RBIs from a hot start' probably cost the team a couple games in the standings. Not sad that Charlie has had this toy taken away.

 

[Morgs]

 

[Morgs]

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Wow this is so positive. Seems true what you said earlier "Rockies going to Rockie".

 

[Kurtz]

Really cool video. If we can do for his launch angle what we did for Vladdy, he may be a player.

 

[Eyedea]

Lmao that video.

How the hell does one have a launch angle of -5 degrees?

Didn't watch the vid but I'd imagine it's because he's late on every pitch. Great for contact, and everything grounds/chops away to 3rd base where he can try to outrun his balls in play.

 

[phillipmike]

Happy with the trade, was expecting to get nothing back for Grichuk. To get a decent bench player who fills a need and a lottery ticket prospect is a nice bit of business. Hopefully we dont send the Rockies too much money, would like some savings.

I always liked Grichuk. Showed up and played every night and did what was asked of him. Thought the contract was premature but he was on average a 2 WAR player prior, you expected he should have got better and becoming a 3+ WAR player would have made the contract a steal. Didnt work out but he had to be moved in my eyes, happy he will get a shot to start all year and i think he flourishes with the Rockies. Wish him nothing but the best.

Wonder if this is it , or does this set us up for another or more moves. I think another move is coming. Springer cant play 80-90+ games at CF so someone else has to pick up the rest. Tapia cant play CF either other than a few innings. I cant see us using Teo or Gurriel in CF for 80+ games. I suspect we are bringing in another CF. Gardner? Someone from Cleveland in a Ramirez trade? Reds have a CF?

 

[Bjindaho]

Happy with the trade, was expecting to get nothing back for Grichuk. To get a decent bench player who fills a need and a lottery ticket prospect is a nice bit of business. Hopefully we dont send the Rockies too much money, would like some savings.

I always liked Grichuk. Showed up and played every night and did what was asked of him. Thought the contract was premature but he was on average a 2 WAR player prior, you expected he should have got better and becoming a 3+ WAR player would have made the contract a steal. Didnt work out but he had to be moved in my eyes, happy he will get a shot to start all year and i think he flourishes with the Rockies. Wish him nothing but the best.

Wonder if this is it , or does this set us up for another or more moves. I think another move is coming. Springer cant play 80-90+ games at CF so someone else has to pick up the rest. Tapia cant play CF either other than a few innings. I cant see us using Teo or Gurriel in CF for 80+ games. I suspect we are bringing in another CF. Gardner? Someone from Cleveland in a Ramirez trade? Reds have a CF?

Tapia can and will play CF. He only didn't play CF in Colorado because he was their every day LF.

 

[canucksfan]

Happy with the trade, was expecting to get nothing back for Grichuk. To get a decent bench player who fills a need and a lottery ticket prospect is a nice bit of business. Hopefully we dont send the Rockies too much money, would like some savings.

I always liked Grichuk. Showed up and played every night and did what was asked of him. Thought the contract was premature but he was on average a 2 WAR player prior, you expected he should have got better and becoming a 3+ WAR player would have made the contract a steal. Didnt work out but he had to be moved in my eyes, happy he will get a shot to start all year and i think he flourishes with the Rockies. Wish him nothing but the best.

Wonder if this is it , or does this set us up for another or more moves. I think another move is coming. Springer cant play 80-90+ games at CF so someone else has to pick up the rest. Tapia cant play CF either other than a few innings. I cant see us using Teo or Gurriel in CF for 80+ games. I suspect we are bringing in another CF. Gardner? Someone from Cleveland in a Ramirez trade? Reds have a CF?

That's my concern is Jays don't have a backup for Springer. Even if he's healthy he will be DHing.

 

[Bjindaho]

 

[phillipmike]

Adrian Pinto | SS/2B

Track Record: At 5-foot-6, Pinto is typically the smallest player on the field. That didn’t deter the Rockies, who signed him for $120,000 out of Venezuela, and he was outstanding in his pro debut in 2021. Pinto had more than twice as many walks (38) as strikeouts (18) in the Dominican Summer League, ranking second in the league in both batting average (.360) and on-base percentage (.486) and fourth in slugging percentage (.543).

Scouting Report: Pinto has a small but strong, compact build. He has outstanding hand-eye coordination and a short, quick stroke, rarely swinging and missing. His ability to recognize pitches and swing at good pitches are already advanced for his age, with a short strike zone that he doesn’t often expand. Pinto is more of an on-base threat than a power threat, but he has some sneaky pop for his size and isn’t just a slap hitter. Pinto’s tools jump out as well. He’s a plus-plus runner who led the DSL with 41 stolen bases. He has a plus arm too. He he spent most of his time last year at second base, his most likely defensive home.

The Future: Pinto has yet to make his U.S. debut, but he’s a breakout candidate and one of the organization’s most exciting players below the full-season level.

Matt Eddy (of BA) said:

With the acquisition of Adrian Pinto, the Blue Jays now have in their system two of the three highest OBPs last season, min. 200 PA.

These are the BB/SO ratio leaders:

Adrian Pinto, 2.11

2. Javier Sanoja, 1.64

3. Leo Jimenez, 1.50

Nos. 1 and 3 are Blue Jays prospects.

 

[Blitzkrug]

The praise for Pinto is coming from outside of Toronto too. Weird the Rockies would just toss him away like that.

Don't worry I'm sure the trio of Grichuk, Blackmon and Bryant will lead them to glory...assuming Coors Field isn't swallowed by the supermassive black hole generated from the lack of defense in the outfield.

 

[Bjindaho]

The praise for Pinto is coming from outside of Toronto too. Weird the Rockies would just toss him away like that.

Don't worry I'm sure the trio of Grichuk, Blackmon and Bryant will lead them to glory...assuming Coors Field isn't swallowed by the supermassive black hole generated from the lack of defense in the outfield.

Colorado was actively looking for a CF (Grichuk). They traded Tapia for Grichuk.

But Colorado is also cheap. So they decided to give Toronto the chance to buy a prospect at the price of essentially matching the contracts.

Edit: Keep in mind, that Grichuk (as a HR hitter) will get a fairly big boost by moving to Colorado. Grichuk is likely close to a 2 WAR player there because of fly balls carrying.