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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season V: Baseball's back and so are blockbusters (Jays send 4 prospects to A's for 3B Matt Chapman)

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Atkins presented options to ownership? You don’t go there for Chapman. That’s for a big contract like Freeman

 
I realize you gotta give to get, but Gunnar Hoglund has an awesome name that woulda been nice to see pitch in a Jays game at least once. His first name is one that you’d call a pitcher or a catcher with a great arm.

Also I would have no problem trading Pearson. I’m not as high on him as the rest of you are. To me he’s entering Aaron Sanchez territory (the injured one, not the great setup one), and I’d rather trade him now before that happens. I’d rather be wrong and have him stay healthy and put it together somewhere else than have him stay and lose value.
 
habamillions said:
He wont play at all this season. Atl is hoping he returns next season. Kind of like seattle when they signed giles
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Well he had Tommy John last March and recovery is a year, he should be back by now. To put him on the 60 IL, that means he is out at least 14 months.
 
phillipmike said:


Atkins presented options to ownership? You don’t go there for Chapman. That’s for a big contract like Freeman

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You also go to ownership if Cincy offers Votto+ for a low level prospect (to get out of paying a 38 year-old 25M with 32 still committed)
 
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chaosrevolver said:
That is....something...?

26 Million a year for 7 years on someone who has been having durability issues the last few years.

He will rake in Colorado but can't see that aging well.
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ye pretty awful, and if they lose story they getting worse even with this signing, i dont get it.
 
theathletic.com

Law: Blue Jays buy low on Matt Chapman with a four-player package returned to A's

Matt Chapman addressed the Blue Jays' biggest offensive need and also allows them to shore up their infield defense.
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The A’s get a four-player return, as they did in the trade that sent Matt Olson to Atlanta, although this package is lighter overall. Shortstop Kevin Smith is the top prospect coming back, having turned his career around thanks to a swing and approach change before 2021 that saw him hit .285/.370/.561 in Triple A with 21 homers and 18 steals. He’s a true shortstop with good zone awareness and the power to be a 20-homer guy in the majors, although Oakland’s ballpark may depress that slightly.

Elvis Andrus is a free agent after 2022 anyway, but he also hasn’t been good in five years — he was worth a win or less in 2021, with well below-average offense and fringy defense at short. His .294 on-base percentage was second-worst among all qualifying shortstops in 2021, and he’s lost a ton of lateral range since his peak. At this point, the A’s should make him a utility infielder and let Smith play every day to start the year, which does more to help them for the long term than playing out the string on Andrus’ contract.

Right-hander Gunnar Hoglund was the Jays’ first-round pick in 2021, after he had Tommy John surgery in March, interrupting a spring that had him likely going in the top 10 picks as the most polished college pitcher in the class — but not an especially high-upside guy. He had a basket of 55s in his repertoire and threw everything for strikes before the UCL tear. I said before the season that I thought he’d come back slowly in 2022 but start 2023 in Double A, which would put him on track for the MLB by the end of that season. Unless he improves any one of his pitches, his ceiling is around that of a fourth starter.

Lefty Zach Logue is probably ready to pitch on a major-league staff right now, although it’s unclear whether he’s going to be able to start. He’s a changeup guy with a delivery that hides the ball well, coming from a low 3/4 slot, showing more control than command and lacking an average pitch beyond the change. He doesn’t repeat his arm stroke well, with a slight stab in the back and inconsistency in his release point, which is a negative indicator for future command, and hitters hit him hard when he misses his spot or shows the ball too soon — even on the plus changeup. Oakland’s home park hides a lot of sins for pitchers, but Logue is probably more of a swingman than a full-time starter. Left-hander Kirby Snead is a 27-year-old sinker/slider reliever who probably doesn’t have a good enough changeup to be a full-inning reliever.

If Smith is an everyday shortstop, and Hoglund turns into a viable big-league starter, this is a solid return for two years of Chapman. But at the same time, it feels a little light for someone who posted back-to-back 7 WAR seasons before the pandemic hit. The Jays traded two of their top five prospects in this deal, but their system remains deep in prospects in the middle of the diamond; and I’m bearish enough on Logue that he didn’t make my top 20 for the Jays and I don’t think is a significant boost to the value of this deal. The A’s did better in the Olson trade, and on the one hand that makes sense given Olson’s superior performance in 2021 to Chapman’s. Chapman plays a more challenging position and, if you think he can hit at all like he did in 2018-19 again, offers way more upside.
 
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chapman is going to help bo immensely as well, now bo doesnt have to play so deep in the hole because hes covering for sub par range at 3rd base. they can position him more towards the middle to help the second baseman and he wont have to rush his throws since they wont be nearly as long this way, which was one of his big issues. at least imo.
 
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