Off-season roster thread #3 -- Post-draft and upcoming Free Agency

[Fjordy]

Might be why guys like Robertson are really pushing for bridge deals. Man I'd love to lock up Dahlin next summer. That Tage deal is looking better and better.

Hmm. I think I just read that Robertson and his agent Brisson are pushing for a long-term deal, while Dallas wants the bridge.

 

[Club]

re Chychrun AZ was asking for a ton, way to high. Ask was for 5 pieces; 2 1sts, a second, top prospect and player.

5 pieces?! Lmfao. Good luck hauling all that back. Even with a 'softer' type deal. I personally don't think he's worth all of what's mentioned

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Might be why guys like Robertson are really pushing for bridge deals. Man I'd love to lock up Dahlin next summer. That Tage deal is looking better and better.

Robertson/Brisson are pushing for a long term deal, Nill/the club wants a bridge per Dregs.

5 pieces?! Lmfao. Good luck hauling all that back. Even with a 'softer' type deal. I personally don't think he's worth all of what's mentioned

There was a time when the Sabres were pushing for that type of deal for Eichel, so it's likely to be less.

 

[Dingo44]

Robertson/Brisson are pushing for a long term deal, Nill/the club wants a bridge per Dregs.

In that case Nill is nuts. Unless they don't think Robertson has proven himself enough. I guess it depends on the ask per year.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

In that case Nill is nuts. Unless they don't think Robertson has proven himself enough. I guess it depends on the ask per year.

It's not really Nil, it's the owners. Nil is just the public face -- he's gotta be in a tough position.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

I don't think Dallas trades Robertson. I do think they move salary to make room for him, but who is taking Khudobin right now? Maybe they move Gurianov? I can't see them moving Hintz, and probably not Faksa (5 team NTC). Suter has a NMC.

I mean, there might be an opportunity to pry Hintz out of there...which would be an absolute coup.

 

[Fjordy]

I don't think Dallas trades Robertson. I do think they move salary to make room for him, but who is taking Khudobin right now? Maybe they move Gurianov? I can't see them moving Hintz, and probably not Faksa (5 team NTC). Suter has a NMC.

I mean, there might be an opportunity to pry Hintz out of there...which would be an absolute coup.

Someone will trade Khudobin, he does not have such a huge contract and there is only one year. I don't see Dallas trading Robertson or Hintz, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

In that case Nill is nuts. Unless they don't think Robertson has proven himself enough. I guess it depends on the ask per year.

Agreed.

Turned 23 in July. Already a PPG player. What would Nill think is left to prove? This is the type of player you lock up long-term. If that creates a cap problem, then fix that instead of alienating the best forward on the roster.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I wouldn't mind Adams make a play for Khudobin if the Sabres can get something additional.

 

[Chainshot]

I don't think Dallas trades Robertson. I do think they move salary to make room for him, but who is taking Khudobin right now? Maybe they move Gurianov? I can't see them moving Hintz, and probably not Faksa (5 team NTC). Suter has a NMC.

I mean, there might be an opportunity to pry Hintz out of there...which would be an absolute coup.

They should look to build around both Hintz and Robertson. They're daft if they deal either - or over an ownership payroll barrel.

Someone will trade Khudobin, he does not have such a huge contract and there is only one year. I don't see Dallas trading Robertson or Hintz, it doesn't make sense.

Hell, it could be Buffalo if they want a bit more of a cap buffer. Seriously though, while Arizona exists, there will always be somewhere to park dead cap in the league.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Agreed.

Turned 23 in July. Already a PPG player. What would Nill think is left to prove? This is the type of player you lock up long-term. If that creates a cap problem, then fix that instead of alienating the best forward on the roster.

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The other interesting thing about Robertson are Pavelski and Hintz's production since Robertson joined the team and has been playing on a line with those 2. Both of them started producing significantly more with him on their line the past 2 seasons.

 

[ForsbergMoDo21]

We have Mule

Then you’re going to be very happy once you get to the second half of last season

Well, a partner he works well with is one thing, and it’s promising. But what I’m getting at is 4 years ago the Sabres throwing an 18 year old 1st overall pick to the wolves without a quality veteran to show him the ropes.

Just my opinion but I think on-ice mentorship isn’t appreciated as much as it should be. Not saying it’s a necessity, but I think it goes a long way. Furthermore, a cap floor basement team as the Sabres have been for awhile is in a good position to overpay a vet or take on salary in a trade to get a guy with something in the tank.

 

[Fjordy]

Well, a partner he works well with is one thing, and it’s promising. But what I’m getting at is 4 years ago the Sabres throwing an 18 year old 1st overall pick to the wolves without a quality veteran to show him the ropes.

Just my opinion but I think on-ice mentorship isn’t appreciated as much as it should be. Not saying it’s a necessity, but I think it goes a long way. Furthermore, a cap floor basement team as the Sabres have been for awhile is in a good position to overpay a vet or take on salary in a trade to get a guy with something in the tank.

Yes, it was disgusting that they couldn't find him a proper partner for 3-4 seasons, and also locked him up with the idiot Krueger for two years. But now everything seems to be in order. Samuelsson seems like the perfect type of player to play alongside Rasmus. And I agree that for Power it is necessary to find such a partner, the sooner the better. Let's see how they will play with Joki, but I'm not sure about the success of this pair.

 

[Fjordy]

Targets now, at TDL or summer:

Mackenzie Weegar
Matt Roy
Damon Severson

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Concerning Dahlin's development ...

Agree that the lack of a veteran mentor, and being hampered by the likes of Housley and Kruger, were not beneficial, but wonder if his development would have been accelerated by another year in the SEL.

I think many of these 1OA players get penalized by the unwritten rule that they *must* play their D+1 season in the NHL. Hughes is another example that springs to mind.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

The other interesting thing about Robertson are Pavelski and Hintz's production since Robertson joined the team and has been playing on a line with those 2. Both of them started producing significantly more with him on their line the past 2 seasons.

That line is loaded with synergy. I'm a huge fan of Pavs. The guy epitomizes what it means to be a true pro in this league. If he was a better skater, we'd be talking about him as a 1st ballot HoF lock.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Concerning Dahlin's development ...

Agree that the lack of a veteran mentor, and being hampered by the likes of Housley and Kruger, were not beneficial, but wonder if his development would have been accelerated by another year in the SEL.

I think many of these 1OA players get penalized by the unwritten rule that they *must* play their D+1 season in the NHL. Hughes is another example that springs to mind.

Best season by an 18yo defenseman since Bobby Orr. Dahlin obviously belonged in the NHL then. Krueger knocking Dahlin not just sideways, but straight backward, after that is (I think) unfairly coloring your memory of his rookie season.

 

[Fjordy]

Concerning Dahlin's development ...

Agree that the lack of a veteran mentor, and being hampered by the likes of Housley and Kruger, were not beneficial, but wonder if his development would have been accelerated by another year in the SEL.

I think many of these 1OA players get penalized by the unwritten rule that they *must* play their D+1 season in the NHL. Hughes is another example that springs to mind.

I think Dahlin had a decent first season. Now this is a completely different player, more experienced, with leadership qualities, stronger physically and playing with grit. Krueger was a nightmare for Dahlin and other young players.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

I'm not saying Dahlin had a *bad* rookie season. Just suggesting that his long-term development *might* have benefited from an extra season in the SEL or AHL. It's a hypothetical, so we'll never know.

Maybe there are better 1OA examples. Certainly Hughes, maybe Lafreniere (although he had zero to prove in the Q, and the NHL was the only alternative). Slafovsky might see time in Laval. I'm happy that Power went back to Michigan.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Targets now, at TDL or summer:

Mackenzie Weegar
Matt Roy
Damon Severson

I'm guessing Weeger gets extended or traded. Wishing we can get him one way or another.

 

[Fjordy]

I'm guessing Weeger gets extended or traded. Wishing we can get him one way or another.

Well, hypothetically, he could become the UFA in the summer if he doesn't re-sign with Calgary or another team.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

I wouldn't mind Adams make a play for Khudobin if the Sabres can get something additional.

As part of a big deal ? Sure, that might give you advantage on 10 other clubs.

For a late pick ? meh

 

[Djp]

Targets now, at TDL or summer:

Mackenzie Weegar
Matt Roy
Damon Severson

i thought Weager was getting an extrnsion…

Why are they the targets?

Concerning Dahlin's development ...

Agree that the lack of a veteran mentor, and being hampered by the likes of Housley and Kruger, were not beneficial, but wonder if his development would have been accelerated by another year in the SEL.

I think many of these 1OA players get penalized by the unwritten rule that they *must* play their D+1 season in the NHL. Hughes is another example that springs to mind.

I'm not saying Dahlin had a *bad* rookie season. Just suggesting that his long-term development *might* have benefited from an extra season in the SEL or AHL. It's a hypothetical, so we'll never know.

Maybe there are better 1OA examples. Certainly Hughes, maybe Lafreniere (although he had zero to prove in the Q, and the NHL was the only alternative). Slafovsky might see time in Laval. I'm happy that Power went back to Michigan.

his first year says otherwise on him somehow not being ready.

the bigger concern on him was adjusting to NA hockey.

it was possible he coukd spend some time in the AHL that season.

Krueger did a Freddie on him For sure.

Hughes like Power did NCAA after being drafted then turned pro and played a few games.

generally it’s easier for forwards to jump to the nhl than D.

Risto spent half the year in the A
Seider spend a full year in the A
IIRC Makar played college then turned pro

 

[Fjordy]

i thought Weager was getting an extrnsion…

Why are they the targets?

If not getting.

Because it's the top 4 RDs that have a contract ending in the summer, except for Roy, who can fit Buffalo.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

If not getting.

Because it's the top 4 RDs that have a contract ending in the summer, except for Roy, who can fit Buffalo.

I think KA was probably in on Weeger at some point, maybe they did not want to spend on an extension in the end or Zito just like the Calgary deal more, who knows. Then they turned to other RD targets, ie Lyubushkin.