Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

[Chainshot]

Supposedly a lot of their fans aren't big on him and would rather have the cap space.

I haven't seen that but if they want to shift cap with a reasonably priced 2nd pairing RHD and an okay starter, that's fine by me. I don't see them doing it, but hey... if they'd bite on it, it's a good patch.

No way ullmark sucks

Keep drafting with the 1 picks


Nix ullmark sucks keep drafting build correct way

That .917 he had in his last season in Buffalo and his first season in Boston sucks?

 

[SundherDome]

Would you guys do 28 for Ullmark and Carlo? Gives them a bunch of cap space and fills some holes for us.

Yes

 

[jmelm]

Would you guys do 28 for Ullmark and Carlo? Gives them a bunch of cap space and fills some holes for us.

I'm not at all petty, vindictive, hold grudges or anything like that, but something rubs me the wrong way about trading a 1st rounder to get back a guy who didn't want to be here less than a year ago.

If the cost was less and there were no better options? Sure. But a 1st round pick? I'd rather sign one of the UFA goalies for similar money.

As for Carlo, he's great in some ways but not in others and has some issues. Locked up for that many more years at that money, I just don't think I want to commit to that. If they were really willing to let him go for that, that's probably reason for "buyer beware".

Also, Carlo is about an inch too short to play with Power, so there's that, too.

 

[Zach716]

I'm not at all petty, vindictive, hold grudges or anything like that, but something rubs me the wrong way about trading a 1st rounder to get back a guy who didn't want to be here less than a year ago.

If the cost was less and there were no better options? Sure. But a 1st round pick? I'd rather sign one of the UFA goalies for similar money.

As for Carlo, he's great in some ways but not in others and has some issues. Locked up for that many more years at that money, I just don't think I want to commit to that. If they were really willing to let him go for that, that's probably reason for "buyer beware".

Also, Carlo is about an inch too short to play with Power, so there's that, too.

I think it really depends on how things went down behind the scenes. If KA was only going to 3m and Sweeney was offering 5m, it's hard to fault Linus. The fact that he wasn't traded at deadline tells me maybe the original intent was there until his agent got wind of a much higher offer. Impossible to say really for us not in the know.

 

[RefsIdeas]

A name that might make sense for the Sabres? Alex Turcotte. Let me explain:

- Don Granatos brother Tony coached him at Wisconsin
- Sabres somewhat lack playmaking centers (IMO only Krebs and possibly Mittelstadt fit that role)
- Growing rumblings that he will be moved (removed LA from social media bio, EFs blog hinting that they may move prospects)

Not without concerns though:

- Production not very good thus far
- Multiple concussions this past year
- Price to move him?

One thing I was thinking about is that he was drafted the same year as Krebs + Cozens. People already labeling Turcotte a bust seems wild considering he was just drafted three years ago. So far his profile probably looks more similar to that of a bust than a stud, but injuries have certainly hampered him. If Tony Granato had positive things to say - I feel as if the Sabres would be very interested to bring him in.

Acquiring him would almost leave us with too much young talent. You’d like a healthy mix of vets/young guys, and that could be an issue. But, when I play around with current/future lines, I find myself always struggling to find playmakers on lines - Turcotte would fit the bill and then some if he’s able to even become 80% of the prospect he was billed to be.

 

[SundherDome]

A name that might make sense for the Sabres? Alex Turcotte. Let me explain:

- Don Granatos brother Tony coached him at Wisconsin
- Sabres somewhat lack playmaking centers (IMO only Krebs and possibly Mittelstadt fit that role)
- Growing rumblings that he will be moved (removed LA from social media bio, EFs blog hinting that they may move prospects)

Not without concerns though:

- Production not very good thus far
- Multiple concussions this past year
- Price to move him?

One thing I was thinking about is that he was drafted the same year as Krebs + Cozens. People already labeling Turcotte a bust seems wild considering he was just drafted three years ago. So far his profile probably looks more similar to that of a bust than a stud, but injuries have certainly hampered him. If Tony Granato had positive things to say - I feel as if the Sabres would be very interested to bring him in.

Acquiring him would almost leave us with too much young talent. You’d like a healthy mix of vets/young guys, and that could be an issue. But, when I play around with current/future lines, I find myself always struggling to find playmakers on lines - Turcotte would fit the bill and then some if he’s able to even become 80% of the prospect he was billed to be.

The fact that the Kings management crew is worried about his health following the concussions, it would be an easy pass after following Connolly

 

[jmelm]

I think it really depends on how things went down behind the scenes. If KA was only going to 3m and Sweeney was offering 5m, it's hard to fault Linus. The fact that he wasn't traded at deadline tells me maybe the original intent was there until his agent got wind of a much higher offer. Impossible to say really for us not in the know.

Agreed. If we gave him a low-ball offer and want him back, that's one thing. But if we gave him a comparable offer and he chose to leave, it's hard to see that sitting well with the culture we have here.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested, but not sure about the cost of a 1st rounder. I'd rather use the pick and get a goalie on the UFA market or a less costly trade option.

I mean think about it like this: if we're willing to give Ullmark $5M x 3 years, it makes much more sense to offer similar money (maybe up to $6M per year) to one of the UFAs for 3-4 years and keep the 1st rounder. The savings between the two is not worth a 1st rounder IMO.

 

[hizzoner]

I would love to have another winger who could win wall battles, score from 30 feet out, crash the net and shield /screen /tip pucks in the opps blue paint. When I look at the skill set and dimensions of many highly rated prospects in this draft I see a lot of one trick ponies playing wing and a lot of smallish (for big league players generally) centres who scouts say will likely end up having to play wing. I think that is a big reason why I like the idea of a true play making centre with good hands, size, hockey iq, vision and adequate and improvable skating. I have not given up on considering Geekie at 16 unless a top D is available.

 

[Ace]

One thing that really hit me today when seeing the Shane Wright missed a season because the ohl closed down give him a break talk was…

how f***ing impressive Jack Quinn’s season was this year. He battled injuries and mono coming off a season where all he got was 15 games dropped into the AHL sink or swim and one tourney. And he tore up the league. A hard league. A league Alexander Nylander still can’t do what Quinn did in.

My point is part…ehhh…how much of an excuse can I factor this in when Quinn did this…and part…shit look what the year did to people and what happened to Quinn.

but mostly that I don’t think that year off is really the best excuse for not taking a step. Hell Josh Bloom took a step.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

I haven't seen that but if they want to shift cap with a reasonably priced 2nd pairing RHD and an okay starter, that's fine by me. I don't see them doing it, but hey... if they'd bite on it, it's a good patch.



That .917 he had in his last season in Buffalo and his first season in Boston sucks?

He is not good dont want him
Here again. Swayman was Bruins 1 goalie . They dont need him . Same in wc let in bad goals against canada . Swedish goalies are generell not that good dont want lehner Either . King Henrik was the latest swedish goalie that was really good . Markström is okey/good But rather then that dont want part of ullmark or lehner They are not that good in my opinion.

Sabres need to
Save their cap
To the Young players cant give out long contracts like Skinner and Okposo for expensive players , better to draft and give quinn peterka cozens dahlin power these money in the future. Cant have players like ullmark Okposo Skinner take up money so we get in cap trouble

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

We will winn the sc if we draft good and play Young players then older players like okposo and players such as Perry players that Were good before Can then sign here for 1 mil to play 4 th line

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

No purpose having Skinner take up that cap . Sabres are lucky that he is the only bad contract. I think adams is doing the best job a gm have Done here since regier. He has patience signing players to short contracts develope the Young players instead so when we are ready to compete we dont have bad contracts he builds the team now looking Were quinn Peterka the 4 first rounders Will fit in . Then when we compete he Will go hard for the cup and we will have the best chance ever to winn a sc .

 

[Zach716]

One thing that really hit me today when seeing the Shane Wright missed a season because the ohl closed down give him a break talk was…

how f***ing impressive Jack Quinn’s season was this year. He battled injuries and mono coming off a season where all he got was 15 games dropped into the AHL sink or swim and one tourney. And he tore up the league. A hard league. A league Alexander Nylander still can’t do what Quinn did in.

My point is part…ehhh…how much of an excuse can I factor this in when Quinn did this…and part…shit look what the year did to people and what happened to Quinn.

but mostly that I don’t think that year off is really the best excuse for not taking a step. Hell Josh Bloom took a step.

To be fair though it’s an outlier. D-1, D, D+1 years are so crucial for development. I know a lot of people are high on Quinn, but I have legitimate superstar potential for him, 90-100 points (in the perfect situation)

I think you’ll see in 10 years people wonder why so many people didn’t go high enough in this draft because of it more than your typical draft on average. Then someone on HF will remind them we had a pandemic

It’s a good year to ‘fall into’ a great pick later on which is why I’m so happy we have 4 darts in the top 41. Arizona is licking their chops.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

No purpose having Skinner take up that cap . Sabres are lucky that he is the only bad contract. I think adams is doing the best job a gm have Done here since regier. He has patience signing players to short contracts develope the Young players instead so when we are ready to compete we dont have bad contracts that take space he builds the team now looking Were quinn Peterka the 4 first rounders Will fit in . Then when we compete he Will go hard for the cup and we will have the best chance ever to winn a sc . Thats why he sign 1 year contracts just tempororay players . Think of quinn peterka plus 5 more first rounders plus second round pick . Rosen plus 3 more this year and 1 next .

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

For example we draft Savoie with 1 pick. The lines look really good . Then we have 3 more first rounders 2 this year then 1 next year plus rosen thats 4 first rounder plus second Were should They fit !? We are not far away is One more season if Adams dont f*** up. Go get a goalie then instead .


Skinner Thompson Olofsson
Quinn Savoie Cozens
Peterka Krebs Tuch
Asplund Mittlestadt Girgensons

We can take yurov Geekie Kasper lambert kulich with our sefond first lets say kulich then mesar
With 3 pick.

Skinner Thompson Olofsson
Quinn Savoie Cozens
Peterka Kulich Mesar
Krebs Mittlestadt Tuch
Asplund Girgensons.

They Will winn sc . Even if Savoie is not there They take Kasper or someone Kulich mesar .

Why you want a expansive goalie this season .
Next season its development season then after that we can trade someone for a d and goalie .

Patient !!!!!!!

We are close. One more season !!!!!!

You need to Think
We
Also have rosen plus 3 first now and 1
First next season thats 5 years of first picks we will winn the cup soon promise; remember this post when we winn the stanley cup in less then 10 years : remember me !!!! I Said it here first . Impossible not to winn the cup if not Adams f*** this and next draft up .

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

We can sign another goalie or trade But that goalie needs only 1 year contract. This Will make us be able to compete a bit better this season already But no more then 1 year because thats the cap plan . See bishop Anderson

 

[tsujimoto74]

To be fair though it’s an outlier. D-1, D, D+1 years are so crucial for development. I know a lot of people are high on Quinn, but I have legitimate superstar potential for him, 90-100 points (in the perfect situation)

I think you’ll see in 10 years people wonder why so many people didn’t go high enough in this draft because of it more than your typical draft on average. Then someone on HF will remind them we had a pandemic

It’s a good year to ‘fall into’ a great pick later on which is why I’m so happy we have 4 darts in the top 41. Arizona is licking their chops.

I mean, the only comparable you can really find for his AHL performance last year is Nikita Kucherov, and that guy is pretty good. I think it's fair to say that Quinn's ceiling is very high.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

I mean, the only comparable you can really find for his AHL performance last year is Nikita Kucherov, and that guy is pretty good. I think it's fair to say that Quinn's ceiling is very high.

The idea of a Sabres draft pick potentially being picked *higher* than he was actually picked in a re-draft 4-5 years down the road is mind blowing to me.

 

[Chainshot]

We can sign another goalie or trade But that goalie needs only 1 year contract. This Will make us be able to compete a bit better this season already But no more then 1 year because thats the cap plan . See bishop Anderson

One year? No UFA worth 50 games as a starter is taking one year.

Bishop is on LTIR and has already retired.

 

[Dirty Dog]

yea, how good Quinn/peterka/power come right out the gate is going to r eea Lily dictate how the season goes.


And uh get a f***ing quality goalie you goofs!

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

One year? No UFA worth 50 games as a starter is taking one year.

Bishop is on LTIR and has already retired.

In the next 10
Years we winn atleast 1 cup!!! One year then we will push for playoff promise you That. Yes bishop contract is gone in 1 year Okposo hodgson anderson also . Thats the purpose remove cap to be able to build a winning team

In the next 10
Years we winn atleast 1 cup!!! One year then we will push for playoff promise you That. Yes bishop contract is gone in 1 year Okposo hodgson anderson also . Thats the purpose remove cap to be able to build a winning team

Remember the 5 first pick rosen plus 3 this summer 1 next this Will we 5 years of first picks you better build a good team then or something is wrong . Yes reimer from san José have 1 year left this is the goalie should go for . We can get him cheap

 

[Chainshot]

In the next 10
Years we winn atleast 1 cup!!! One year then we will push for playoff promise you That. Yes bishop contract is gone in 1 year Okposo hodgson anderson also . Thats the purpose remove cap to be able to build a winning team

In the next three years, they still need a starting goalie.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

In the next three years, they still need a starting goalie.

Then They fix that then as u say They need it in 3 years not now

 

[Chainshot]

Then They fix that then as u say They need it in 3 years not now

...


They need a starting goalie NOW and for the next three years until maybe, hopefully, wishfully, Levi is ready to step into the starting role.

 

[Team Cozens]

The realistic moves I would make to give the Sabres a shot at the playoffs.

Sign Braden Holtby
Trade for Mason Marchment
Trade for Connor Murphy
Trade away Olofsson


Skinner Thompson Tuch
Cozens Mittelstadt Quinn
Asplund Krebs Marchment
Peterka Girgs Okposo

Dahlin Samuelsson
Power Murphy
Bryson Joker


Holtby
UPL
Anderson