Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

[Lloydchristmas138]

I really don't know why anyone is so eager to add high priced wingers to this team. It would be akin to adding a high priced LD given what we currently have on the roster / coming in the future:

-Skinner signed 5 more years
-Tuch signed 4 more years
-Olofsson potentially signed long term
-Cozens/Krebs long term (presumably no space for them both to play C)
-Quinn on the verge of the NHL
-JJP on the verge of the NHL

That's not accounting for the glut of wingers we have in the system who might well develop into solid NHLers.

This team's needs are a starting goalie, top 4 RHD & a shut down C.

It’s not that I would specifically target wingers, but Fiala was a game changer last year. When he was on the ice he was a threat to score every shift. Some players impact the game as much as a center does. Kaprizov isn’t a center either but that other line went through him. I don’t see DeBrincat as a dominant player the way that Fiala could take games over.

 

[Zach716]

So why is Chris Drury rumored to be interested ?

He’s in win now mode and needs to fill the hole Strome is gonna leave. Not a ton of amazing options for that so he’s in a tough spot.

He’s also just not a very good GM too lol

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

It’s not that I would specifically target wingers, but Fiala was a game changer last year. When he was on the ice he was a threat to score every shift. Some players impact the game as much as a center does. Kaprizov isn’t a center either but that other line went through him. I don’t see DeBrincat as a dominant player the way that Fiala could take games over.

Kind of moot. They are reporting that Fiala would only sign a long term extension with 1 team now. So that means Buffalo wouldn't have had much of a shot anyway.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

He mentioned Portillo a little later on:
1) He supports/respects his decision to go back to school
2) He plans on talking with Portillo's representatives about his future plans during the draft
3) He expects Portillo to attend prospect camp in 2 weeks, based on conversations with him last week

I agree though, it does seem like there is some hesitancy on Adams part to talk him up too much when discussing the future

Definitely some hesitancy. I was just listening to his press conference from today and a reporter asked him about Portillo + Levi and he once again raved about Levi but nothing about Portillo.

It is either purposeful or he’s really just that high on Levi. But either way it doesn’t seem to bode well for portillo’s future in Buffalo. I can’t help but wonder what Portillo thinks about his future prospects in Buffalo if he listens to these PC’s and is always hearing the GM rave about Levi or say how much he believes in UPL but hardly mention him?

(the talk I’m referring to starts around 7:30 into the PC)

 

[sabremike]

Definitely some hesitancy. I was just listening to his press conference from today and a reporter asked him about Portillo + Levi and he once again raved about Levi but nothing about Portillo.

It is either purposeful or he’s really just that high on Levi. But either way it doesn’t seem to bode well for portillo’s future in Buffalo. I can’t help but wonder what Portillo thinks about his future prospects in Buffalo if he listens to these PC’s and is always hearing the GM rave about Levi or say how much he believes in UPL but hardly mention him?

(the talk I’m referring to starts around 7:30 into the PC)

I can't understand why he wouldn't want to sign with a team whose goaltending position is literally vacant. Where else would he get that type of opportunity?

 

[SundherDome]

Preseason schedule drop was what I needed to get through this next week

 

[theguardianII]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

Would 2 veteran centers do it?

Just another Vancouver fantasy but wasting time anyway.

Quinn Hughes and Bo Horvat?
Demko and Garland?

Either deal probably puts the team in a playoff position or hunt

IMO there could be deals made to guarantee playoffs

 

[SundherDome]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

Would 2 veteran centers do it?

Just another Vancouver fantasy but wasting time anyway.

Quinn Hughes and Bo Horvat?
Demko and Garland?

Either deal probably puts the team in a playoff position or hunt

IMO there could be deals made to guarantee playoffs

He isn't for sale

 

[TehDoak]

NHL offseason trade board: 30 players who could be moved this summer

The trade chatter has started, and there will be teams singularly motivated to make changes to improve on last year’s results.

theathletic.com

A few interesting names here:

4. Tyson Barrie, Oilers

Barrie is an excellent power-play quarterback who usually plays protected five-on-five minutes on the third pair but can be an important offensive contributor to any team that hasn’t been satisfied with its man-advantage play. And at $4.5 million per season for the next two years, without any trade protection, Barrie would seem like the most cost-effective available player in that category, if Edmonton is confident enough in Evan Bouchard and Darnell Nurse to handle PP duties in Barrie’s place.

Could be an interesting 2nd pair option

5. Jeff Petry, Canadiens

Petry had a tough year in Montreal, though it got better after Martin St. Louis took over as coach. Like Barrie, he is a right-shot defenseman who can anchor a team’s PP1. Petry’s 34, with three years to go on a $6.25 million contract, and has a 15-team no-trade list. Back in March, we had him going to Dallas as a possible replacement for John Klingberg, if Klingberg had been traded at the deadline (which he wasn’t). But if Klingberg moves this summer as a free agent, Petry would seem like a natural replacement.

I feel like we've talked about him a bunch already.

7. William Karlsson, Golden Knights

Karlsson has never been able to match his breakout first season with the Golden Knights, in which he scored 43 goals. Vegas eventually rewarded Karlsson with an eight-year, $47 million contract extension that began in the 2019-20 season and has five years to go at an AAV of $5.9 million. The problem is that Karlsson is basically slotted in as the No. 3 center on the team behind Jack Eichel and Chandler Stephenson and if they succeed in getting Reilly Smith to forgo free agency and re-sign with the team, something has to give. Karlsson would be a pricey add for any team and at 29, the contract probably won’t age well. On the plus side, he is a reliable two-way center and would have value to any team that’s thin down the middle. To get their payroll under control for next season, it may come down to which of Karlsson or defenseman Alec Martinez is the easiest contract to move out.

I know people hate the contract, but he checks every box we need up front. Middle six center, good at faceoffs, plays the PK, produces offense. It'd be a good 2nd line option and can let Krebs/Cozens/Mittelstadt battle it out for sheltered 3rd line C duties.

11. Connor Brown, Senators

Is Connor Brown the next Zach Hyman? Or Andrew Copp? In other words, the sort of versatile forward who can help you five-on-five, on the power play, killing penalties? He’s the classic example of a middle-of-the-lineup player who can help you in many different areas. His versatility and competitiveness are potent attractive qualities. Brown is 28, will earn $3.6 million in 2022-23 and then become UFA in the summer of 2023. The question is simply, does he have more value as a trade chip this offseason, or as a possible rental at the deadline? At that point, Ottawa might be out of playoff contention and in a position to create a bidding war for his services from teams looking for a Copp or an Artturi Lehkonen type of add.

Could be an interesting add, would certainly add some versatility to the forward group. Unlikely without us moving out a few forwards first.

25. Jonathan Quick, Kings

Quick is interesting. He basically won back the starter’s job in LA this past season, but Cal Petersen’s contract extension that pays him like a No. 1 goalie ($5 million per season for three years) starts in the fall and will likely be given every opportunity to show that last year’s struggles (.895 save percentage, 2.89 GAA) were an aberration. Quick on the other hand is going into the final year of a contract that counts $5.8 million against the cap. If the Kings want to be aggressive in free agency or the trade market (Fiala would be a good fit there), then almost $11 million is too much to tie up in two goaltenders. Buffalo is seeking a new No. 1. Quick might be a good fit there. Or if not Buffalo, then Washington.

26. John Gibson, Ducks

Gibson’s wish to stay in Anaheim has been stated for the record, but he only has limited control over that (a 10-team no-trade list). Anaheim aggressively moved out players at the deadline, but instructively, only those on expiring contracts. Gibson is signed for five more years at $6.4 million — pricey, but worth it if your evaluation is he can be a top five-to-seven goalie in the NHL again after faltering the last couple of years. With new GM Pat Verbeek in place and an operating philosophy modeled after mentor Steve Yzerman, there’s no genuine way of knowing if the trade chatter is real or imagined. It feels real. Doesn’t mean anything will necessarily come of it.

27. Ilya Samsonov, Capitals

Washington is in the market for a true No. 1 after dividing the job between Samsonov and Vitek Vanecek last year. Gibson and Quick have both been previously linked to the Caps. If the Caps can pull a deal off, then Samsonov likely heads the other way.

28. Mackenzie Blackwood, Devils

See Samsonov (above). If the Devils legitimately make a deal for a more experienced starter, then it’s a signal they’re likely moving on from Blackwood, who would probably be going the other way in a potential deal.

29. Semyon Varlamov, Islanders

Varlamov is another intriguing case. Like Quick, he’s got a year left on his contract and earns too much ($5 million) to be cast as a back-up, which is what he is now, with Ilya Sorokin’s ascendancy into the starter’s job. And while he makes a good insurance policy on the Island, and had a genuine off year last year, he had a 2.04 GAA and a .929 save percentage the season before and in those two Islander runs to the Stanley Cup semi-final, won 18 playoff games. He could be the sort of short-term fix for a contender in the same way Darcy Kuemper was for the Avalanche this past year.

30. James Reimer, Sharks

If the Sharks go with Adin Hill and Kaapo Kahkonen as their goalie tandem next year, then Reimer will have value to any team looking for a reliable back-up. Reimer had a .911 save percentage in 48 appearances for the Sharks last season and demonstrated he could carry a heavier workload if necessary. He’s 34 and signed for one more year at $2.25 million.

....and the goalies. Of the group, I think my preference is Reimer/Quick/Varly without a ton of interest in trying to fix Samsonov/Blackwood.

 

[Jacob582]

NHL offseason trade board: 30 players who could be moved this summer

The trade chatter has started, and there will be teams singularly motivated to make changes to improve on last year’s results.

theathletic.com

A few interesting names here:



Could be an interesting 2nd pair option



I feel like we've talked about him a bunch already.



I know people hate the contract, but he checks every box we need up front. Middle six center, good at faceoffs, plays the PK, produces offense. It'd be a good 2nd line option and can let Krebs/Cozens/Mittelstadt battle it out for sheltered 3rd line C duties.



Could be an interesting add, would certainly add some versatility to the forward group. Unlikely without us moving out a few forwards first.



....and the goalies. Of the group, I think my preference is Reimer/Quick/Varly without a ton of interest in trying to fix Samsonov/Blackwood.

You got any NHL minimum or LTIR players for me?

 

[tsujimoto74]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

No. Just no.

 

[theguardianII]

He isn't for sale

How valuable are the playoffs to you?

 

[TheMistyStranger]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

Would 2 veteran centers do it?

Just another Vancouver fantasy but wasting time anyway.

Quinn Hughes and Bo Horvat?
Demko and Garland?

Either deal probably puts the team in a playoff position or hunt

IMO there could be deals made to guarantee playoffs

Yeah... not happening.

 

[theguardianII]

Yeah... not happening.

Yep no playoffs again or is it still? Another rebuild coming though with Detroit and Ottawa loading up.
I do understand this, getting rid of a losing culture can take a decade or longer, it gets instilled in each new younger player that suffers it for too long.
Look at Dylan Strome, a few years in Arizona and it took him 4 or 5 to get it out of his system.

But very strong leadership from the room can over come the expected failures of the past.

Eichel would never be traded either, why wait until players give up?

How about Demko and Hughes?

 

[Dingo44]

Yep no playoffs again or is it still? Another rebuild coming though with Detroit and Ottawa loading up.
I do understand this, getting rid of a losing culture can take a decade or longer, it gets instilled in each new younger player that suffers it for too long.
Look at Dylan Strome, a few years in Arizona and it took him 4 or 5 to get it out of his system.

But very strong leadership from the room can over come the expected failures of the past.

Eichel would never be traded either, why wait until players give up?

How about Demko?

So get rid of our best player for a couple of vets Vancouver no longer wants in a desperate attempt to get eighth place next season? SOLD!

 

[stokes84]

I wonder what @stokes84 thinks of Geekie?

I honestly don’t have a clue. I’ve paid almost no attention to the draft this year.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Yep no playoffs again or is it still? Another rebuild coming though with Detroit and Ottawa loading up.
I do understand this, getting rid of a losing culture can take a decade or longer, it gets instilled in each new younger player that suffers it for too long.
Look at Dylan Strome, a few years in Arizona and it took him 4 or 5 to get it out of his system.

But very strong leadership from the room can over come the expected failures of the past.

Eichel would never be traded either, why wait until players give up?

How about Demko and Hughes?

Not happening to moving Dahlin. It would take an absolutely stupid overpayment to even consider it, and Demko and Hughes are not that.

Literally everyone has 100% shut you down on this. You might be best served scurrying back to the Canucks board before people lose their patience with your awful proposals.

 

[theguardianII]

So get rid of our best player for a couple of vets Vancouver no longer wants in a desperate attempt to get eighth place next season? SOLD!

Again, Vancouver was built wrong, the vets, Miller, Horvat, Garland or Boeser are not 30 yrs old yet. Miller and Horvat have exceptional leadership skills but Vancouver will be starting over.. The cap situation there makes a tear down necessary.

Vancouver just fired the worst GM in league history and that is not an opinion. He spent over 1 billion dollars in 8 years, front office, fired coaches and over the cap, he demolished the prospect pool, traded away more 1rst round picks than any Van Gm, had the worst win/loss record and most failed top 10 picks in it's history. He won maybe two trades and let Markstrom, Tanev, Edler, Toffoli and a few other top vets walk away without compensation.

That is what Vancouver is fixing so if they are being nice to some good soldiers for enduring that crap by offering them up to some up and coming team.

 

[Royal Thunder]

NHL offseason trade board: 30 players who could be moved this summer

The trade chatter has started, and there will be teams singularly motivated to make changes to improve on last year’s results.

theathletic.com

A few interesting names here:



Could be an interesting 2nd pair option



I feel like we've talked about him a bunch already.



I know people hate the contract, but he checks every box we need up front. Middle six center, good at faceoffs, plays the PK, produces offense. It'd be a good 2nd line option and can let Krebs/Cozens/Mittelstadt battle it out for sheltered 3rd line C duties.



Could be an interesting add, would certainly add some versatility to the forward group. Unlikely without us moving out a few forwards first.



....and the goalies. Of the group, I think my preference is Reimer/Quick/Varly without a ton of interest in trying to fix Samsonov/Blackwood.

Less than zero interest in Barrie. We have Dahlin and Power for the powerplay and Barrie is literally only useful in that role

 

[Fjordsen]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

Would 2 veteran centers do it?

Just another Vancouver fantasy but wasting time anyway.

Quinn Hughes and Bo Horvat?
Demko and Garland?

Either deal probably puts the team in a playoff position or hunt

IMO there could be deals made to guarantee playoffs

Dahlin untouchable

 

[Zach716]

Yep no playoffs again or is it still?

The assets it would cost Vancouver would cause another riot there. Shoo

 

[thewookie1]

NHL offseason trade board: 30 players who could be moved this summer

The trade chatter has started, and there will be teams singularly motivated to make changes to improve on last year’s results.

theathletic.com

A few interesting names here:



Could be an interesting 2nd pair option



I feel like we've talked about him a bunch already.



I know people hate the contract, but he checks every box we need up front. Middle six center, good at faceoffs, plays the PK, produces offense. It'd be a good 2nd line option and can let Krebs/Cozens/Mittelstadt battle it out for sheltered 3rd line C duties.



Could be an interesting add, would certainly add some versatility to the forward group. Unlikely without us moving out a few forwards first.



....and the goalies. Of the group, I think my preference is Reimer/Quick/Varly without a ton of interest in trying to fix Samsonov/Blackwood.

Lots of nopes.

Barrie would be an awful pickup as he’s bad defensively and is PP specialist which is what we don’t need in the slightest.

Petry is slightly less abhorrent as Barrie but would be too costly to be worth his warts.

Brown would heavily depend on price

Quick would be an interesting pickup but the price must be low. No 1sts or 2nds for a rental goalie.

Yep no playoffs again or is it still? Another rebuild coming though with Detroit and Ottawa loading up.
I do understand this, getting rid of a losing culture can take a decade or longer, it gets instilled in each new younger player that suffers it for too long.
Look at Dylan Strome, a few years in Arizona and it took him 4 or 5 to get it out of his system.

But very strong leadership from the room can over come the expected failures of the past.

Eichel would never be traded either, why wait until players give up?

How about Demko and Hughes?

Alright I’ll play. I want Petersson, Hughes and your 1st and Hughes & Petersson must have 25% retention. If you want Dahlin.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

What would it take to trade Dahlin?

Would 2 veteran centers do it?

Just another Vancouver fantasy but wasting time anyway.

Quinn Hughes and Bo Horvat?
Demko and Garland?

Either deal probably puts the team in a playoff position or hunt

IMO there could be deals made to guarantee playoffs

I’m not a GM (obviously), but Demko, Hughes, Podkolzin and a 1st would be an opening offer, then you add. And then if it’s good enough I think it over a bit before an answer is given.

 

[Zach716]

KA must have gotten a call, not sure what would even be interesting enough from Montreal that wouldn't be unreasonable.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

KA must have gotten a call, not sure what would even be interesting enough from Montreal that wouldn't be unreasonable.

They can give a first this year, their earliest 2nd this year, and a 1st next year. Or they can keep the 1st next year and send Barron + Roy.