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Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

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Lloydchristmas138 said:
Fiala is an absolute stud, I’d have no hesitations on his season being a one-off. He’s kind of exactly what this forward group needs, more bonafide high end talent. Maybe Minnesota could think that Olofsson can replace some of his production at half the cost. Something like Olofsson, 16 and Johnson?
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Not close in terms of trade value. Olofsson would have to be signed for 4-5 years and then retained at 50%. He's going to command about $4.5M on a long term deal and that's not what MIN is looking for. The gap between Fiala and Olofsson is >> than #16 and Johnson (who may become a UFA).

I also don't think VO is a Guerin kind of player, frankly.

Gabrielor said:
Just say no to Fiala.

Too soon for a winger move.
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Too soon for a big trade of futures for an established, to be more precise. If we want a winger, let's go sign one of Burakovsky/Copp/Paul and not give up any assets.
 
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Jim Bob said:



Given his contract situation, I doubt Minnesota has any interest in VO.

And given that there is no guarantee that Johnson signs, I doubt those two pieces move the needle for the Wild.

They likely want Quinn or Peterka in a deal for Fiala.
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Fiala only has 1 year of team control, right? He also only has 1 year of elite level productivity.

I wonder if that stunts his trade value a bit.

I'm all in on Fiala if it's something like VO & a 2nd. But if we start talking about high end pieces or a 1st ++, then I wouldn't be interested.
 
jmelm said:
Not close in terms of trade value. Olofsson would have to be signed for 4-5 years and then retained at 50%. He's going to command about $4.5M on a long term deal and that's not what MIN is looking for. The gap between Fiala and Olofsson is >> than #16 and Johnson (who may become a UFA).
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Minnesota may not have much leverage, they'll have to move him fairly soon as I don't think they can risk arbitration.


jmelm said:
I also don't think VO is a Guerin kind of player, frankly.
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This might be very true
 
Fezzy126 said:
Fiala only has 1 year of team control, right? He also only has 1 year of elite level productivity.

I wonder if that stunts his trade value a bit.

I'm all in on Fiala if it's something like VO & a 2nd. But if we start talking about high end pieces or a 1st ++, then I wouldn't be interested.
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I am seeing some people suggest that he goes for more than what Florida gave up for Reinhart.
 
The issue with Fiala is that we already have Skinner, and we cannot have 2 wingers making between $16-17M between them (Fiala will be looking for between $7-8M per season).

So for better or worse, Skinner is our guy.

Fezzy126 said:
Minnesota may not have much leverage, they'll have to move him fairly soon as I don't think they can risk arbitration.
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But that's only an issue if you don't have multiple teams interested. MIN has multiple teams interested. It's bidding wars that set the market, not the desperation of the seller.
 
The aversion to acquiring established talent on this board is tiresome.

“Sit back and wait” is a great strategy to finally eek into the playoffs in 3 years (hopefully you haven’t alienated ALL of your fans by then) and have consecutive 1st round losses thereafter.

I love a lot of the players we have (Thompson, Cozens, etc). But aside from Quinn, we don’t have any forwards who have elite potential. We’ve seen that (aside from St. Louis) you can’t win in the playoffs without elite talent.

Fiala right now is better than most of our players’ ceiling. His age fits with the core. I’d give up 16+ for him easily, and then move Olofsson in a separate deal where we’d probably recover a late first.
 
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I think there’s a difference between don’t make any moves and trade top assets for a winger who is going to want huge money.
 
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My Cozen Dylan said:
The aversion to acquiring established talent on this board is tiresome.

“Sit back and wait” is a great strategy to finally eek into the playoffs in 3 years (hopefully you haven’t alienated ALL of your fans by then) and have consecutive 1st round losses thereafter.

I love a lot of the players we have (Thompson, Cozens, etc). But aside from Quinn, we don’t have any forwards who have elite potential. We’ve seen that (aside from St. Louis) you can’t win in the playoffs without elite talent.

Fiala right now is better than most of our players’ ceiling. His age fits with the core. I’d give up 16+ for him easily, and then move Olofsson in a separate deal where we’d probably recover a late first.
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No issue with them using picks to make moves and I agree with everything right up to that last sentence. There is no way Olofsson gets a late first in trade.
 
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He’s going to the Kings

Chainshot said:
No issue with them using picks to make moves and I agree with everything right up to that last sentence. There is no way Olofsson gets a late first in trade.
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If he could sniff that theyd have packed his bags for him already
 
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Faber and their first for Fiala

would you trade 16 and Peterka for the rights to pay Fiala 8 million a year?
 
Fiala going for peanuts is tough to swallow. It's just more concrete evidence this team is a salary floor team that really isnt interested at all in being competitive. I miss the old days.

Ace said:
Faber and their first for Fiala

would you trade 16 and Peterka for the rights to pay Fiala 8 million a year?
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Peterka and Faber are no where near similar values.
 
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BloFan4Life said:
Fiala going for peanuts is tough to swallow. It's just more concrete evidence this team is a salary floor team that really isnt interested at all in being competitive. I miss the old days.



Peterka and Faber are no where near similar values.
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They are incredibly similar in value.
 
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Archie Lee said:
To the bolded, I'm pretty sure that is the reason he has set out to acquire picks rather than trade them. You need to have lots of prospect depth to protect yourself against the reality that some of those prospects will not turn out to be the player you hoped they would be.

TB and Colorado were both built through the draft with trades sprinkled-in to address roster deficiencies. I think it is near certain that we will attempt to make such trades eventually, but not until we have deepened the prospect pool and not until we have a better sense of what we have with the players already on the team and in the system.
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I wouldn't say the trades were "just sprinkled in" by these two teams.

Everyone on defense for both teams besides their #1 was acquired by trade/ufa.
 
Ryan Johnson able to walk away at the end of the year is not at all Faber’s equivalent. In the last tsn prospect rankings done a couple months ago JJ was 31, Faber was 37, Johnson wasn’t top 50. And that doesn’t even factor in the difference in holding their rights.

Of course we’d all give up Ryan Johnson. He holds nearly no value to us because we all think he’s walking anyway. Other teams won’t know his situation and will treat his rights like they dont have an expiration date? Come on guys. Come on.
 
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Ace said:
Ryan Johnson able to walk away at the end of the year is not at all Faber’s equivalent. In the last tsn prospect rankings done a couple months ago JJ was 31, Faber was 37, Johnson wasn’t top 50. And that doesn’t even factor in the difference in holding their rights.

Of course we’d all give up Ryan Johnson. He holds nearly no value to us because we all think he’s walking anyway. Other teams won’t know his situation and will treat his rights like they dont have an expiration date? Come on guys. Come on.
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Johnson literally goes to Minnesota. They'd have zero trouble signing him.

But fine, if you'd rather include Poltapov, then I'd still do it. But despite what one TSN ranking may indicate, Peterka and Faber do not have equal trade value.
 
Fezzy126 said:
Fiala only has 1 year of team control, right? He also only has 1 year of elite level productivity.

I wonder if that stunts his trade value a bit.

I'm all in on Fiala if it's something like VO & a 2nd. But if we start talking about high end pieces or a 1st ++, then I wouldn't be interested.
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One year of team control makes this a non-starter unless he signs longer. Why would we trade anything for one year of control?

Ace said:
Ryan Johnson able to walk away at the end of the year is not at all Faber’s equivalent. In the last tsn prospect rankings done a couple months ago JJ was 31, Faber was 37, Johnson wasn’t top 50. And that doesn’t even factor in the difference in holding their rights.

Of course we’d all give up Ryan Johnson. He holds nearly no value to us because we all think he’s walking anyway. Other teams won’t know his situation and will treat his rights like they dont have an expiration date? Come on guys. Come on.
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If you trade his rights, I assume you also trade the compensation if he doesn't sign which is a 2nd.
 
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