Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

[truthbluth]

just some quick math:

1. thompson 2. tuck 3. skinner 4. VO 5. Cozens 6. Mitts 7. Krebs 8. girgs 9. OK 10. Asplund 11. Quinn 12. JJ 13. R2 (in my head you only get him back if hes playing in the nhl, but I havent paid attention to his contract status in a bit) 14. bjork (because technically hes still under contract)

that doesnt re sign anyone, doesnt add anyone, leaves you short of the cap floor, and puts someone (probably under the age of 24 if you push the ditch bjork for roster spots) in the press box

Based on play alone, I’m not sure how Krebs could be ahead of Girgs, OK and Asplund. He sure wasn’t anywhere near as good as those guys last year. Krebs is as much on the bubble, imo, as JJ and Quinn.

 

[HaNotsri]

There will be injuries so I don't see how A couple of players like Trochek and Hinostroza would keep someone out?

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Based on play alone, I’m not sure how Krebs could be ahead of Girgs, OK and Asplund. He sure wasn’t anywhere near as good as those guys last year. Krebs is as much on the bubble, imo, as JJ and Quinn.

lets do some math

not lets rank everyone based on talent, it was literally me trying to remember the lineup for the last 30 games and writing names down

 

[Dirty Dog]

Based on play alone, I’m not sure how Krebs could be ahead of Girgs, OK and Asplund. He sure wasn’t anywhere near as good as those guys last year. Krebs is as much on the bubble, imo, as JJ and Quinn.

I’m not sure how you got rankings out of that! And then only had one comment!

 

[SundherDome]

just some quick math:

1. thompson 2. tuck 3. skinner 4. VO 5. Cozens 6. Mitts 7. Krebs 8. girgs 9. OK 10. Asplund 11. Quinn 12. JJ 13. R2 (in my head you only get him back if hes playing in the nhl, but I havent paid attention to his contract status in a bit) 14. bjork (because technically hes still under contract)

that doesnt re sign anyone, doesnt add anyone, leaves you short of the cap floor, and puts someone (probably under the age of 24 if you push the ditch bjork for roster spots) in the press box

I personally think that forward group sucks if you're hoping for meaningful march games in 22/23 and doesnt change much if anything for our chances in 23/24. Looking at last season bjork 58gp, murray 19, drake 18, john fing hayden 55 and 6gp from a collection of players that wont even make it into trivia night. There's plenty of season for both JJ and Quinn to have 50gp this season and not start opening night on the sabres roster. How long do you think they go before the first injury that brings 1 of the 2 up? training camp? 10 games in? I'd wager 10 internet points that even if neither makes opening night at least 1 is playing every night by the time october ends as an injury replacement.

I would say game 2, someone goes out day to day which turns into week to week which goes month to month then year to year then indefinite

 

[HaNotsri]

I would say game 2, someone goes out day to day which turns into week to week which goes month to month then year to year then indefinite

We had to resort to numbers for our injury thread last year. I guess Colorado and Tampa are playing through multiple injuries but still weird how they can be so intact in june compared to the state of Sabres in november.

Anyway, even if we add 4 players + 2 goalies it likely won't keep our prospects from getting the NHL time they need.

When Quinn, Thompson, Mittelstadt and UPL go down I just hope we have better replacements than Bjork, Murray, Ruotsalainen and Dell...

 

[Djp]

It’s timing.

Last season, players like Quinn and Peterka were not ready for NHL minutes right off the bat. You ruin players that way. Look how rushed Thompson and Mittelstadt were. They had to go back to the AHL to figure things out.

Sometimes you send the better players down so they aren’t rushed.

This season, I don’t see that need. I think most of the kids who would qualify as being part of the best 23 are ready for NHL minutes.

im not gifting Quinn and Peterka spots. I have no problem giving them time based on how they do in preseason.

im not putting them in the press box.

i have Krebs starting in Rochester for time at center.

There will be injuries so I don't see how A couple of players like Trochek and Hinostroza would keep someone out?

I done look at Hinostroza as keeping someone out. I dont look at a short term center keeping players out.

I look at Hinostroza type as being flexible to fit in at any of the wing slots if there is an injury and not have to shuffle lines.

they bring in someone who is a center who can fill center role and starts as the 4C playing with Girgs and Okposo.

i dont want to bring in some vet who is gifted a 3rd line winger position over Quinn/Peterka doing well. I want them getting nhl experience this year beyond a few games. I want them playing 40 at least if healthy.

 

[dortt]

Kerbs is almost certainly not going back to Rochester.

He was on the Sabres most of the year. That would be a major regression for him

 

[elchud]

Mitts was a bona-fide Sabres roster player then he got sent down. He had to work on some things.

Krebs spending 45 games in the AHL playing 20 minutes a night at center in all situations is a good thing. There will be an injury or two or three and he will be called up and stick for good.

I wouldn't be surprised if Quinn is sent down...once. For 10 games maybe. I do expect him to make the roster out of the gate but he may have some growing pains.

Peterka is a lock and I think he has seen the last of Rochester.

But who can know these things. These predictions are based on what we saw last season.

 

[truthbluth]

Watching the AVS in the playoffs, I come away with what I think is the right plan to build the Sabres. They should go heavy. Every team in the league is going to build speed to play like the AVS, and there isn’t enough NHL caliber talent with speed to go around. That means highly capable players with less than ideal speed will be available. When they zig, you zag. Just a thought.

 

[TehDoak]

Watching the AVS in the playoffs, I come away with what I think is the right plan to build the Sabres. They should go heavy. Every team in the league is going to build speed to play like the AVS, and there isn’t enough NHL caliber talent with speed to go around. That means highly capable players with less than ideal speed will be available. When they zig, you zag. Just a thought.

We aren't going to have McKinnon, Stamkos, Landeskog, Kucherov, etc. So, we really aren't going to be able to follow the Colorado or Tampa blueprint. Our best case scenario, long term, is to have an elite defense and try to have great forward depth. So the idea of going heavy isn't bad, but....we simply don't have the bodies to make that happen. We have a quick skilled group.

Honestly, in my ideal world, we'd be trying to reduce the volume of similar forwards we have and add some more size. I simply don't think the front office is going to start moving out young forwards, however.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Watching the AVS in the playoffs, I come away with what I think is the right plan to build the Sabres. They should go heavy. Every team in the league is going to build speed to play like the AVS, and there isn’t enough NHL caliber talent with speed to go around. That means highly capable players with less than ideal speed will be available. When they zig, you zag. Just a thought.

The right plan for the Sabres build is make dahlin and power as good as they can be. There isn’t anyone else on this roster with the pedigree to lean on for a cup run.

 

[Djp]

Kerbs is almost certainly not going back to Rochester.

He was on the Sabres most of the year. That would be a major regression for him

he will if they want him to develop at center.

 

[Djp]

Watching the AVS in the playoffs, I come away with what I think is the right plan to build the Sabres. They should go heavy. Every team in the league is going to build speed to play like the AVS, and there isn’t enough NHL caliber talent with speed to go around. That means highly capable players with less than ideal speed will be available. When they zig, you zag. Just a thought.

hoepw do you measure speed vs quickness/ agility?

some who are fast can’t skate fast and puck carry
some who are fastcant shift/ move side to side to penetrate with speed.

there are other players who are not fast skaters per se, but they have quick bursts fir 3 strides that can get then separation when needed

 

[Zman5778]

The right plan for the Sabres build is make dahlin and power as good as they can be. There isn’t anyone else on this roster with the pedigree to lean on for a cup run.

I saw what Makar and Byram did for the Avs (and Toews) and had this vision of Dahlin and Power (and Sammy) doing similar things for Buffalo.

But we're going to have to go St. Louis-style for the forwards -- scoring that goes at least 9 deep and maybe have that one really good but not transcendent offensive talent.

 

[StrompTroller]

anyone else notice no one mentions Colin Miller...like ever in these off season discussions. I'm not saying for better or worse but like we've discussed Pilut more than Miller lol. Is this guy def gone??

 

[Ace]

he will if they want him to develop at center.

just like Tage right?

 

[Fly Boy]

just like Tage right?

Not really comparable situations. Different regime and scenarios. I do think Krebs will be up with the big club though.

 

[joshjull]

Oh boy. I see the models to follow/blueprint talk is back.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

follow the model that every NHL cup winner has followed for decades:

identify what your best players are good at, assemble a roster that supports those players, put a goaltender in net that plays well enough to win a 2-1 game, and a coach that can win a game with the first change

 

[The Blunder Years]

follow the model that every NHL cup winner has followed for decades:

identify what your best players are good at, assemble a roster that supports those players, put a goaltender in net that plays well enough to win a 2-1 game, and a coach that can win a game with the first change

Pretty much, the one thing I would add is that you really need game breaking high end talent. Every cup winner from the past 10+ years has at least 2 bonafide superstars that are top 10 at their position. Only team that you can make the argument that didn’t have this is St Louis but they went on a crazy run and had amazing depth. Not to mention Binnington was arguably playing like the best goalie in the world in that playoffs.

I think the Sabres have depth, culture, and a couple potential players in their system that could become top end talent. You really need one of Dahlin or Power to reach their high end potential as well as one of Peterka, Quinn, or Thompson. I just worry that we might not have the elite talent to win us a cup when our window is open.

 

[Dingo44]

Oh boy. I see the models to follow/blueprint talk is back.

Every new Stanley Cup winning team is a new blueprint.

I thought this was interesting:

We currently have in our projected starting lineup next season, barring trades and not including signings we have coming:

Drafted:
Cozens
Mittelstadt
Girgs
Olofsson
Asplund
Quinn
Peterka
Dahlin
Power
Samuelsson
Bryson
Fitzpatrick
UPL

Trade:
Tuch
Krebs
Thompson
Skinner
Bjork
Joki

Signed:
Okposo

 

[Zman5778]

Oh boy. I see the models to follow/blueprint talk is back.

It's an offseason tradition.

 

[Chainshot]

The only model the Sabres should be following is the one that identifies and retains their talented players. Boiled down to the essence of Cup winners, that is what they have done - find 'em, acquire 'em, and keep 'em.

 

[JLewyB]

Every new Stanley Cup winning team is a new blueprint.

I thought this was interesting:

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We currently have in our projected starting lineup next season, barring trades and not including signings we have coming:

Drafted:
Cozens
Mittelstadt
Girgs
Olofsson
Asplund
Quinn
Peterka
Dahlin
Power
Samuelsson
Bryson
Fitzpatrick
UPL

Trade:
Tuch
Krebs
Thompson
Skinner
Bjork
Joki

Signed:
Okposo

I think if we ever win something, Our blueprint will be length. A lot of our core is tall and long. I domt think its been planned that way…just the way its fallen with our core being mainly D-men and Thompson.