Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt VIII: Spring approaches and less (fewer) things are happening

[ShaneFalco]

Is this code?

 

[phillipmike]

 

[phillipmike]

 

[stickty111]

Rays seem a bit low even though I'm not sold on them. Red sox at 47 is hilarious.

 

[BlueForever75]

I just dont get how the Yankees are that far ahead of the Jays when they have done absolutely nothing to improve their team!

I dont see any of their acquisitions making them any better then last season. They are banking on the health of their team returning to what it should be to be able to compete. If players like Stanton, Judge and Severino remain to play only half a season because they are often injured. How do they compete?

I really believe the Jays and Rays will be above the Yankees when all is said and done. I dont believe in their rotation as its Cole and bust. And they have too many fragile players to succeed for entire season.

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

Rays seem a bit low even though I'm not sold on them. Red sox at 47 is hilarious.

But the OriLOLes at 0.0 is spot on

 

[Discoverer]

But the OriLOLes at 0.0 is spot on

It's a little high, but pretty close.

 

[stickty111]

But the OriLOLes at 0.0 is spot on

It's a little high, but pretty close.

 

[Kurtz]

Rays seem a bit low even though I'm not sold on them. Red sox at 47 is hilarious.

I think they accidentally flipped the Bosox and the Rays. Only thing that makes sense.

 

[ktownhockey]

Walker struggled big time last season,too many pitches,struggled to get to the 4th.5th. Innings.Shoemaker the opposite.

Love SHOE but that ship has sailed. I think Walker is an adequate number 3 starter for us, especially with piggybacking.

 

[BlueForever75]

Love SHOE but that ship has sailed. I think Walker is an adequate number 3 starter for us, especially with piggybacking.

I think with the shortened season last year and shortened spring training this year the 6th and 7th SP acting as long men in your bullpen become very important. I think this is where pitchers like Stripling and Chatwood will excel for the Jays.

Have pitchers like Pearson or Matz or Walker (if signed) or Ray, go 4-5 innings and supplement their starts with pitchers like Stripling and Chatwood out of the bullpen. Obviously if the starters can go more and are having a great game you let them pitch. But 3rd time through order is where we have seen pitchers like Ray and Walker struggle in the past.

Bullpen will be a very important piece to every MLB team this season. The acquisitions of Yates, Phelps, Chatwood to go along with Borucki, Dolis, Romano, Cole, Liriano, Stripling etc will be a big part of our success this year. I really like what this front office has built. A lot of versatility in that pen that will definitely help the short comings of the rotation.

 

[howlman]

Yeah as soon as they pulled Shoe way too early from that gem he was throwing against Tampa in the playoffs, that bridge was burned and burned fast

 

[dredeye]

Orioles at zero percent lol. You have to give them the 0.1%.

 

[phillipmike]

MLB Power Rankings: All Eyes Are on the Padres

10. Toronto Blue Jays (Last Rank: 15)

Notable acquisitions: OF George Springer, INF Marcus Semien, RP Kirby Yates
The nomadic Blue Jays returned to the playoffs in 2020 and have the look of a contender after offseason signing George Springer and Marcus Semien. Toronto should have one of the league’s best offenses, though the pitching staff leaves a bit to be desired beyond Hyun-Jin Ryu. A return to form from Kirby Yates would be critical in stabilizing the back end of the bullpen.

Strange to see the Nats, Astros, and Twins ahead of us but so be it. Could argue the White Sox too but i like the their team from top to bottom. We have a comparable pen and slightly better lineup but the Sox rotation is much better.

 

[phillipmike]

Best SS in Jays history and it wasnt even close.

Toronto Blue Jays Leaderboards » 2020 » Shortstops » Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball

4X more fWAR than 2nd place Alex Gonzalez, the OG Alex Gonzalez.

Jays SS fWAR:

Tony Fernandez: 35.1 fWAR (5,900 PAs)
Everyone else: 44.9 fWAR (26,026 PAs across 49 players)

Tony Fernandez Career: 43.5 fWAR

 

[Beaumaris]

Love SHOE but that ship has sailed. I think Walker is an adequate number 3 starter for us, especially with piggybacking.

You can’t honestly think that,do you?

 

[phillipmike]

 

[ktownhockey]

You can’t honestly think that,do you?

What are you even talking about? You haven’t made a point other than hating on Walker. The stat comparisons between both as blue jays is almost identical and Shoemaker was a band aid on his two years here. I am here trying to give a possible solution, you give nothing but arguing for no reason.
If you think a rotation of Ryu, Pearson (Innings restriction), Ray, Matz, Stripling/Roark is better then a rotation with Walker then you are delusional. Next time provide some facts!

 

[Bjindaho]

What are you even talking about? You haven’t made a point other than hating on Walker. The stat comparisons between both as blue jays is almost identical and Shoemaker was a band aid on his two years here. I am here trying to give a possible solution, you give nothing but arguing for no reason.
If you think a rotation of Ryu, Pearson (Innings restriction), Ray, Matz, Stripling/Roark is better then a rotation with Walker then you are delusional. Next time provide some facts!

Walker projects as our 6th best starter by Depth Charts (ahead of Roark, but behind Stripling and Matz)

 

[phillipmike]

Mid-Tier Hitters I Like

Gabriel Moreno, a catcher in the Blue Jays system, and is a borderline top 100 type who Eric wrote up recently. Discount his numbers slightly, because he played in one of the most offense-friendly parks in the minors, but his age, position, and ability to avoid strikeouts jump off the page. He also had a great 2020, which this analysis doesn’t touch on.

 

[Discoverer]

Walker projects as our 6th best starter by Depth Charts (ahead of Roark, but behind Stripling and Matz)

It's fine to not like Walker. There are plenty of reasons. But thinking he's garbage while Matt Shoemaker is the guy who should be slotting into the middle of the rotation is... well, that sure is a special opinion.

 

[Bjindaho]

It's fine to not like Walker. There are plenty of reasons. But thinking he's garbage while Matt Shoemaker is the guy who should be slotting into the middle of the rotation is... well, that sure is a special opinion.

I dont mind either, but they would have to be cheap.

Walker wants 10M, but projects to put up half the value of Paxton.

 

[canucksfan]

This somewhat surprises me because they are around 130 million and I think during their peak a few years ago it got as high as 160. Not to mention they probably saved quite a bit last year and the year before when they had a small budget.

If the salary is close to the budget, that's why I hate the Roark signing and I said I didn't like it at the time. Getting rid of him would save 12 million.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[xtra]

The only worry is if the ceiling is the ceiling going forward or only for this year.

the management team could have an internal cap as they wat to allocate something more towards next years crop of free agents instead.